[Fom]

Yeh but Ben thats not the problem, it doesnt matter how hot or cold it is in this country... plus thats not caused by global warming thats just been a problem with the weather from greenland or somewhere coming to us instead of them. If it gets warmed in the north or south pole, thats when it gets dangerous. A matter of 1 degree will kill something, if any of that ice melts, it will flood somewhere. Imagine the whole north pole melting, nearly the whole planet will be under water!

[andyman]

The recession will get worse, unemployment will be at 3m, not seen in a very long time.
The uk has been living on credit and past 10 years was a credit binge by the people and the government with the hangover starting and only just starting.
The uk will pull through like we have done in the past but always at a cost.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Im all for cutting down on pollution, saving the environment etc but for the right reasons, not so the Govt have a stick to beat us with. Do you see car manufacturers etc being coerced into making environmentally friendly cars etc? Not really because fast cars and huge jeeps mean big bucks! But theyll happily take more money off us for using them (when we have no other choice). Businesses dont recycle like we are and they produce the most waste. Our carbon emissions are a minute percentage of all emissions produced. Natural emissions are huge and some argue are increasing because the sun is getting hotter. But it suits to say its us causing it

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by andyman

Many people don't buy into the left wing crazy lies! It is a huge con but many fall for it because clever lies are being used that covers the facts! If all burning of fosil fuels stopped it would still be the same! Yes global warming is real just like the many thousands of times it has happend in the past! We live on a Active living planet with solar and deep space activity that affects our planet and will continue to do say with humans here or not.

I wouldnt call it left wing. But Goverments have cottoned on to the benefits of going that way and run with it I reckon

[30stone]

Originally posted by Fom
Yeh but Ben thats not the problem, it doesnt matter how hot or cold it is in this country... plus thats not caused by global warming thats just been a problem with the weather from greenland or somewhere coming to us instead of them. If it gets warmed in the north or south pole, thats when it gets dangerous. A matter of 1 degree will kill something, if any of that ice melts, it will flood somewhere. Imagine the whole north pole melting, nearly the whole planet will be under water!

I haven't really read up on it but heh i just thought everything seemed to be to do with global warming at the moment.

I know how the earth will be affected by changes in temperature though, i know little bits of information lol..

And no offence but i never thought you would be really smart lol

[andyman]

Best to find the global warming posts thingy!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh there was one werent there? We'll be infrit else!

[Fom]

Originally posted by 30stone

I haven't really read up on it but heh i just thought everything seemed to be to do with global warming at the moment.

I know how the earth will be affected by changes in temperature though, i know little bits of information lol..

And no offence but i never thought you would be really smart lol

I'm not really that smart lol, I just read up on things a lot for my job. Can't act if you don't know what your acting about. Actors are knowledgeable people...

[Stu]

This is not the first time I have seen Andy mention those evil left wing loonys with regard to somehting ALL cross sections of political belief talk about and believe in. Stop dividing everything into left and right, FFS.

Whatever we are doing, we aint helping the planet any better, like Fom said.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh but the real difference is never going to be made because theres money to be made my friend! and lol yeh its always the loony lefts fault!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ellis

What a ridiculous thing to say. Governments all over the world, right and left wing, are concerned about global warming. Even our Conservative Party have (well did have before the recession) rigorous plans to counter the problem here. I don't see what Politics has to do with it.

And the global warming that's going on now isn't natural. Optimists predict that the Arctic Ocean will be completely ice-free by the summer of 2040. 40 years isn't even a blink of an eye in ecological terms; natural flux is gradual, it would take at least 1000 or more years to melt completely under natural circumstances.

I agree with the politics bit but what are these natural circumstances you talk of? The climate is not predictable and affected by much more than us! and if the Governments really cared so much, then why dont businesses get taxed for wasting resources and producing uneccessary products that pollute the atmosphere?

[Scarlett.]

Dont forget cows also poison the enviorment

[NettoSuperstar!]

I dont know why you told me that other stuff! But the CO2 levels we pump are a tiny insignificant percentage of all the CO2 that is produced. Most is natural. And there is a very persuasive argument that the sun getting hotter produces more co2 levels on earth. I'll try to find the stats from the C4 documentary.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Chewy
Dont forget cows also poison the enviorment

Smelly buggers and rotting vegetation and the sea produces loads aswell. Cant remember exactly how but most of it comes from the sea!

[NettoSuperstar!]

I know we dont live naturally and YES most of the CO2 produced is from natural sources

[NettoSuperstar!]

"For some people, the final nail in the coffin of human-produced greenhouse gas theories is the fact that carbon dioxide is produced in far larger quantities by many natural means: human emissions are miniscule in comparison. Volcanic emissions and carbon dioxide from animals, bacteria, decaying vegetation and the ocean outweigh our own production several times"

http://www.channel4.com/science/micr...guments_4.html

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ellis

Becuase of us the climate is warming faster than it ever would naturally.

"New evidence shows that as the radiation coming from the sun varies (and sun-spot activity is one way of monitoring this) the earth seems to heat up or cool down. Solar activity very precisely matches the plot of temperature change over the last 100 years. It correlates well with the anomalous post-war temperature dip, when global carbon dioxide levels were rising"

http://www.channel4.com/science/micr...guments_5.html

[NettoSuperstar!]

"In more recent history there has been: a mini ice age in the seventeenth century when the Thames froze so solidly that fairs could regularly be held on the ice; a Medieval Warm Period, even balmier than today; and sunnier still was the so-called Holocene Maximum, which was the warmest period in the last 10,000 years"

http://www.channel4.com/science/micr...arguments.html

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ellis
Volcanic erruptions are hardly at an all time high at the moment and the other things you listed have always happened. The climate has never heated up this fast before under these natrual processes.

That doesnt make it our doing

[Fom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

Smelly buggers and rotting vegetation and the sea produces loads aswell. Cant remember exactly how but most of it comes from the sea!

Plants and animals from the sea create carbon which gets released from the ocean into the atmosphere. As I said... it's not our doing, but it wouldn't be happening so fast if we hadn't messed the planet so much. This would of happened no matter what, but not to this extent and not this fast, that is the part where humans have messed things up. Its a bit of both.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"The ice-core data is frequently cited as principal evidence to argue that CO2 is the earth’s main climate driver. It is, in a way, the jewel in the crown of the theory of man made global warming. But the ice-core data does not show that CO2 drives climate. It shows, very clearly, that variations in temperature precede rises in atmospheric CO2 – not the other way round. The two phenomena are divided by a time lag of several hundred years.

There is no evidence that CO2 has ever ‘driven’ the climate in the past, nor is there any compelling evidence that it is doing so now."


http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle...mperature.html

[NettoSuperstar!]

I agree we're wasteful we've messed up the environment, we pollute it...I dont agree that there is enough evidence that we are the cause of the climate change occuring now or that there is anything we can do to stop it. Not that that should stop us from caring about the environment, but the real people doing harm should be targeted, which isnt happening!

[Sticks]

I think this thread should be locked as it has been hijacked from talking about the recession to talking about global warming.

At least could these of topic posts be put into another thread please

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ellis

You're in a minority then. Good luck!

Makes no odds to me. I believe in the truth and asking questions not just accepting what Im told

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sticks
I think this thread should be locked as it has been hijacked from talking about the recession to talking about global warming.

At least could these of topic posts be put into another thread please

Tried to move it to the right thread Sticks but noone bothered followin lol