[andyman]

Originally posted by hannah.
I don't believe in dinosaurs

Really? Or you just joking coz your hannah?

[hannah.]

why do you feel it necessary to take the piss out of me at all times?
no, i'm not joking.

[andyman]

Are fossil's real then?

Did the cambrian period, devonian period, carboniferous period, jurassic period and the tertiary period happen or just made up mumbo jumbo?

Is the earth over 4.6billion years old?

[hannah.]

plurals don't need apostrophes

[andyman]

Lol that another hannahism?

[ange7]

Originally posted by hannah.
why do you feel it necessary to take the p**s out of me at all times?
no, i'm not joking.

so what are all those bones that they carbon date to a million years ago about? yeah you must be joking.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
What does the Greek Orthodox church say about this?

Greek orthodox church believes in dinosaurs hehe ie evolution as do most progressive religions... including the catholic church and the anglicans. Idiots on this thread who think these 2 ideas are mutually exclusive are talking out of they're @rse.

[hannah.]

chill out.
i'm religious but I do believe in evolution, just not that it all just happened on its own

[andyman]

The roman empire (latin west/greek east) is always open to new ideas... Ahhhhh.

The church are more clever these days, of course its easy just to say its all part of gods plan..

Why does god allow murder etc.. God gave us the power of free will on earth... The church has evolved.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
The roman empire (latin west/greek east) is always open to new ideas... Ahhhhh.

The church are more clever these days, of course its easy just to say its all part of gods plan..

Why does god allow murder etc.. God gave us the power of free will on earth... The church has evolved.

"of course its easy just to say its all part of gods plan." you said that not me.

I'm not online to try and prostelitize and convert you so why not ask you local rabbie/ priest/ Immam or mental health professional. ( kidding dude). Religion can be a mess of doctrines and laws about who to like and who to hate ... or it can just be about accepting, not judging and giving. Wired sermon mode... off

[andyman]

Maybe in 10,000 years all religions will become one... Jedi! Lol..

[Mark]

Religion easily pushes off Carbon Dating as complete nonsense, and a non credible source. Just as well really as it does pretty much debunk one of their main texts in Genesis, in that God created the world 6000 years ago.

The church ARE clever yes, and it's ridiculous how much power and freedom they are allowed in today’s society. Don't get me started on their tax exemptions, the fuss they are causing over the Atheism ads on busses in London, or even the uproar after Obama rightly mentioned 'non believers' in his speech.

I don't understand how you can believe in evolution but also be religious. They are a complete contradiction of each other, and to try and piece them together seems a cop-out from what more than likely probably happened. None of us will know in our lifetime what REALLY happened, but every day science is coming up with more explanations, and trying to piece together the evidence to back up its findings. Religion has stuck to the same old story for thousands of years, and will continue to brainwash kids at the age where they aren't old enough to think for themselves. At the end of the day they are a profit making organisation, and if you have to tell a small white lie to make billions of pounds, why not!

[ange7]

Originally posted by Mark
Religion easily pushes off Carbon Dating as complete nonsense, and a non credible source. Just as well really as it does pretty much debunk one of their main texts in Genesis, in that God created the world 6000 years ago.

The church ARE clever yes, and it's ridiculous how much power and freedom they are allowed in today’s society. Don't get me started on their tax exemptions, the fuss they are causing over the Atheism ads on busses in London, or even the uproar after Obama rightly mentioned 'non believers' in his speech.

I don't understand how you can believe in evolution but also be religious. They are a complete contradiction of each other, and to try and piece them together seems a cop-out from what more than likely probably happened. None of us will know in our lifetime what REALLY happened, but every day science is coming up with more explanations, and trying to piece together the evidence to back up its findings. Religion has stuck to the same old story for thousands of years, and will continue to brainwash kids at the age where they aren't old enough to think for themselves. At the end of the day they are a profit making organisation, and if you have to tell a small white lie to make billions of pounds, why not!

ok it's not a cope out I'm just not that preachy...and this feels like I'm preaching so I don't bring it up much..anyway...
the bible isn't a history book so the fact it says the earth is 5700 years old but fossil evidence says 4.5 billion isn't a contradiction. Religion and spirituality is about how you operate in society, about how to understand morality and ethics ...it's NOT about having a book proscribe it to you. So I can believe that evolution is real, happened and continues to happen but I don't have to then say “ yeah but it's all part of Gods plan so I win!!” it's not a contest, if you want to hate that's you business. I've heard lots of people on this forum say they hate racism and islamophopia but then will say people that believe in a god are stupid …. and honestly see no contradiction. It's a respect thing mate. I'm not an idiot consumer that the church profits from ....


Yeah I get that organised religion has had terrible press and indeed a lot of horrible things have been done and continue to be done in the name of it. But those who use religion as an excuse for hate clearly had their heart set on hate to begin with.

[ange7]

.. ps you sounded like you needed proof that religion and theory of evolution can coexist.... sorry but this is the best I can do for you hehe

[andyman]

Can science and religion coexist?

[Tom]

The Bible isn't the literal word of God. Thats what a lot of people don't understand- and thats from an atheist.

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
Can science and religion coexist?

In the UK - yes.



In America - maybe not
as they Kill over it.

[arista]

Originally posted by Tom
The Bible isn't the literal word of God. Thats what a lot of people don't understand- and thats from an atheist.

But so many use it in a Wrong way.
You are right the Bible is a Weapon for many.



There is No God.
by the way.

[Tom]

Originally posted by andyman
Can science and religion coexist?

Apparently, but religion is false on the grounds that the God in the Bible does not exist. The God of classical theism is all loving, all knowing, all powerful and everywhere. Realistically God can only be 3 of the 4. If God is all knowing then he would know about suffering, so would put an end to it if he is all loving. So either he isn't all loving or he isn't all knowing. Therefore the God in the Bible does not exist, but it doesn't mean no God exists.

Also, the all knowing thing adds another debate- can God see into the future? If so, does that mean we are already determined to do something? Who determined it and why can't we change if we have free will?

Finally, if God can do anything, can he make a stone heavy enough that he can't lift?

[Fom]

religion are bending around the rules of science because they know they are wrong. It bugs me when people believe in both... its like they want to beieve in religion but they know they are wrong.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ange7

ummm....yeah you can... read a book mate. How can you say " I cannot scientifically explain something as complex as life"... surely that's a failing on your part and not the science. Unless your claiming you've read all the science...understand it all and yet still thinks it's rubbish. But then you "believe" in creationism .... which bring no science at all to back it up.

"it can't all be down to something as simple as evolution." It isn't simple. Explain it to us if it's so simple.

It's attitudes like this that put a lot of people off of posting in the Serious Debates section. Comments like "read a book mate" are just unnecessary.

I know I don't know a lot about science OR religion, and that what I believe may be wrong, but it's what I believe and I'm sticking to it.

Nobody can ever know how we came to be, and I think it might just be the hopeless romantic in me that chooses faith over cold rationality.

[arista]

Yes I agree with your points
Shaun.

[James]

If you accept the Earth is billions of years old it is pretty obvious that evolution is happening. I'd have thought it was common sense. Nothing stays the same over a long period.

The processes that astronomers observe prove we are talking about long-timescales here.

[andyman]

^True.. Of course evolution is not a blueprint... Religion like to think of a blueprint.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Shaun

It's attitudes like this that put a lot of people off of posting in the Serious Debates section. Comments like "read a book mate" are just unnecessary.

I know I don't know a lot about science OR religion, and that what I believe may be wrong, but it's what I believe and I'm sticking to it.

Nobody can ever know how we came to be, and I think it might just be the hopeless romantic in me that chooses faith over cold rationality.

What "attitude" is that ? . You said
"But I cannot scientifically explain something as complex as life as we know it. Sentience, structure, emotion...it can't all be down to something as simple as evolution".
This implies you know all there is to know about evolution ... and after considering it all you've decided it's BS and creationism isn't. Next you type "I know I don't know a lot about science OR religion". dude wtf ... you totally discount evolution because YOU don't get it?. Surly this means that you need to read up and inform yourself.... that's your job ... instead of proclaiming evolution can't "scientifically explain something as complex as life" And here's the kicker...you said "what I believe may be wrong, but it's what I believe and I'm sticking to it" lol WTF???? so why even come to a forum. It's that "attitude" that will mean you'll never move forward ... it's like your proclaim your ignorance as some kind of undeniably right. You can't imagine how amazing that line is... it's TIBB in a single sentence .. hehe then shock of shocks...arista comes in with "Yes I agree with your points Shaun." You agree with a person's right to ignore reasoned debate and stick his head in the sand.? Shaun your the one who attacked my position... which is fine .. but if you disregard evolution in favour of creationism because evolution just scientifically doesn't cut it then you need to back that up with something other than "it's what I believe and I'm sticking to it". Sorry if I hurt your feelings but I really didn't go in that hard considering.