[haggis]

ok i dont like the smell of smoke, etc, but nothing against people like to smoke,
and hey i defo wouldnt chuck her out the bed for lighting up an after ciggy smoke,
id just stick my head under the covers.........................so i didnt smell the smoke..... never know might find something under there to do while she was havng her smoke.:tongu e:

[karlyashworth]

Karly shouldn't smoke.

I assure you I am authentic.

[haggis]

Originally posted by karlyashworth
Karly shouldn't smoke.

I assure you I am authentic.

ok prove it hun

[karlyashworth]

Originally posted by haggis

ok prove it hun

What would you propose?

[Stu]

Originally posted by AnitaBiernow
if that isn't the funniest oxymoron I've read all day!

a cannabis smoker = detoxified.

go visit the REH in Edinburgh, go speak to the researches on 'cannabis smoking and the damage to cellular nerve cells in the brain'.

there is a big and logical reason why they'll never legalise the drug.

(remember, it's a DRUG and the toxins going into your lungs and triggering DNA to switch gene/protein growth on/off... unless you've studied it, you have no idea.)

[MASSIVE RANT]

Rubbish. Their has been no CONCLUSIVE scientific verification on anything you have said about Cannabis. For every report saying what you have just said, their is another saying otherwise. Reports and studies do not = fact.

So if a substance damages DNA (a mutagen), it must be a carcinogen... right? wrong. Without getting too far into it, there are several kinds of DNA mutations that occur every day. Some are not as bad as others, and our cells have several "check points" when reproducing to correct any mistakes in DNA. If the DNA cannot be repaired the cell self-destructs and does not undergo mitosis (cell division). To allude to the conclusion that because a substance is a mutagen that it is a carcinogen is just not true and misleading.

You cant stop people from smoking a plant that grows naturally, and you cant uphold Cannabis illegality as being a CREDIBLE concept when their are more dangerous drugs that are LEGAL. If people are going to smoke it anyway, which they will, because prohibition has failed [another FACT], then you may as well facilitate it.

Cannabis automaticaly becomes safer if you legalise it. And that is a fact. The criminal element and the contamination element involved both outweigh any possible carinogenic element. The MEDICAL BENEFITS of the plant also outweigh any possible harm it could do. They dont have medicinal marijuana for nothing. Plus if it were legalsied they could simply sell it in food product form. No inhalation.

And unless you hang around smokers all day, please, stop overhyping this whole second hand smoke rubbish. What about people who get tanked on alcohol and jump on people or bottle them? Or beat their wives? Or knock over children with cars? Are they not infringing on the rights of others?

Besides, to begin with, Cannabis is not illegal because of health. It was ushered into being banned before any conclusive evidence for it's harm came out. It was banned based on the fact that it was an apparently insanity inducing drug that would make you jump out windows and kill your girlfriend for a 'fix'. It was banned because, well, it was in trade with Mexicans and Blacks. It was banned in America based on racist philosophies. It has been kept banned due to various lobbyist from the Tobacco, Alcohol and Oil industrys, who would all lose a share of profits if a benign, non toxic plant that induces a relatively mild effect on the body could both be used for food, enjoyment and as a source of fibre, energy and raw material for the future.

People seemed to smoke it for hundreds and thousands of years and live to old, healthy ages perfectley fine, until the turn of the 20th century. Fuck, what a coincidence!

It is also banned due to the fact that it simply did not fit in with some power-mongers view of the world. Alcohol is a very masculine, materialist drug that centers on the ego. Cannabis is more innocent. We cant have people going around smoking Cannabis perhaps realising they dont need all the shit the government tries to peddle to them, do we?

How are world governments meant to sell us products, mobilise us into armies to fight on their behalf, and defend nuclear budgets when people can grow plants for free in their homes, lay on the grass, and just muse ''Man ... I love ... EVERYTHING''.

Cure your ignorance. Because ignorance is a killer. A much bigger killer than a plant that you cannot overdose on and that acts on the system by utilising existing receptors that are already present in our systems could ever hope to be.

Religion, racism, knives, boiling kettles, boxes of paracetamol, vending machines, sharks and falling coconuts all > Cannabis in terms of danger.

[/MASSIVE RANT]

[peacemaker]

Originally posted by Clockers
As an ex smoker and lover of hot girls I wish Karly would not smoke. Lovely voice, great eyes, nice features and a world class arse, she does not need to smoke.

i agree lol "world class arse", i've heard it all now

[AnitaBiernow]

Rubbish. Their has been no CONCLUSIVE scientific verification on anything you have said about Cannabis. For every report saying what you have just said, their is another saying otherwise. Reports and studies do not = fact.

wow. you are ignorant.

like I said, until you read the unpublished research happening at the REH, you just keep telling yourself what you want to believe.

go light up, you genius!

and by the way, you've got a lot to learn there.

[Stu]

I am ignorant? I provided you with a brick wall of arguments and you responded to two lines. Your entire argument is simply ''well, their is this unpublished sorta research ongoing...''.

Then you still have the balls to make a smart arse ''go and light up'' comment on MY intelect?

And I made a case dismissing that a mutagen is automaticaly a carcinogenic. Which, even if it was, Cannabis would still become safer if it were made legal. That is a fact and their is no way around it. No buying from criminals, no giving money to criminals, no contaminations with glass, lead, boot polish, and frigging glue. No potency inconsistencies, the possibility to simple EAT Cannabis instead of smoke it. The list goes on.

And also, again, so far their is more proven things Cannabis acts as a pain releif and medecine for than their is evidence to suggest it is harmful!

So really, again, are my ignorant?

[AnitaBiernow]

Originally posted by Stu
I am ignorant? I provided you with a brick wall of arguments and you responded to two lines. Your entire argument is simply ''well, their is this unpublished sorta research ongoing...''.

And I made a case dismissing that a mutagen is automaticaly a carcinogenic. Which, even if it was, Cannabis would still become safer if it were made legal. That is a fact and their is no way around it. No buying from criminals, no giving money to criminals, no contaminations with glass, lead, boot polish, and frigging glue. No potency inconsistencies, the possibility to simple EAT Cannabis instead of smoke it. The list goes on.

And also, again, so far their is more proven things Cannabis acts as a pain releif and medecine for than their is evidence to suggest it is harmful!

So really, again, are my ignorant?

honey, I'll spell it out for you:

I WORKED at the REH with geneticists and neurologists and psychiatrists who did the research/studies for my own eyes. I saw the results on the MRI scans.

you go on, keep reading all the pseudo-science and stay brain-washed and entertain us all!

[hannah.]

****ing hell stu I got halfway through that and I was thinking '**** he is good' but I couldn't read on. that was an INSANELY huge rant, I might read it in chapters.

as far as I'm concerned no matter whether it is bad for you or not I'll still have the odd spliff and the same goes for smoking


and whoever said it was ignorant to say smoking is the smokers choice is so hypocritical it made me laugh aloud.

and also I very very much doubt that karly cares about your opinion on her smoking.

[Stu]

Originally posted by hannah.
****ing hell stu I got halfway through that and I was thinking '**** he is good' but I couldn't read on. that was an INSANELY huge rant, I might read it in chapters.

as far as I'm concerned no matter whether it is bad for you or not I'll still have the odd spliff and the same goes for smoking


and whoever said it was ignorant to say smoking is the smokers choice is so hypocritical it made me laugh aloud.

and also I very very much doubt that karly cares about your opinion on her smoking.

Best point of the thread thus far, right their.

[Stu]

Originally posted by AnitaBiernow

honey, I'll spell it out for you:

I WORKED at the REH with geneticists and neurologists and psychiatrists who did the research/studies for my own eyes. I saw the results on the MRI scans.

you go on, keep reading all the pseudo-science and stay brain-washed and entertain us all!

Honey, I will spell it out for you EVEN IF CANNABIS WERE CARCINOGENIC, WHICH IT HAS YET TO BE PROVEN IN LARGE SCALE, INTERNATIONAL, PUBLISHED, FACTUAL REPORTS, IT. WOULD. STILL. BE. FAR. SAFER. LEGAL. THAN. IT. WOULD. ILLEGAL.

Nice to see all those times spent with the experts could not help your astounding ability to ignore entire blocks of valid arguments.

[hannah.]

stu is definitely right about it becoming much safer if legalised, although it works better in theory than it would in practice purely because there'd be a year in which everyone (apart from people like anita) would be stoned non stop.
although that would be a brilliant year.

[Stu]

Originally posted by hannah.
stu is definitely right about it becoming much safer if legalised, although it works better in theory than it would in practice purely because there'd be a year in which everyone (apart from people like anita) would be stoned non stop.
although that would be a brilliant year.

The Netherlands has a much lower Cannabis useage rate amongst it's natives than most countries, including the UK. And their it is tolerated in small amounts in designated areas.

It would still be quiet the year though .

[hannah.]

yeah itd definitely calm down but there would be that bit where everyone took advantage. its like when I get a new pack of baccy, I smoke loads just because I can. hahaha

[Stu]

Originally posted by hannah.
yeah itd definitely calm down but there would be that bit where everyone took advantage. its like when I get a new pack of baccy, I smoke loads just because I can. hahaha

I catch your drift. Their would be a celebration on the streets that first day of it being legal. I guarantee you not one person would start a fight either .

I do that with the auld baccy too. Much worse during the summer. I get so bored in the mornings I just go out to have a fag every four minuets!

[AnitaBiernow]

that's because all the citizens of the Netherlands are smart enough to stay off the drug.
duh.

Furthermore, it's fallacious to conclude that because the chemicals in marijuana have been found to present fewer dangers than herorin, cocaine, booze and fags -- all extremely harmful substances-- the medical or recreational use of marijuana is perfectly safe.

still, it's your choice to destroy the very cells that can neith repair nor regenerate themselves. happy smoking!

[Stu]

Originally posted by AnitaBiernow
that's because all the citizens of the Netherlands are smart enough to stay off the drug.
duh.

Furthermore, it's fallacious to conclude that because the chemicals in marijuana have been found to present fewer dangers than herorin, cocaine, booze and fags -- all extremely harmful substances-- the medical or recreational use of marijuana is perfectly safe.

still, it's your choice to destroy the very cells that can neith repair nor regenerate themselves. happy smoking!

Wow. You managed to ignore my argument. Again. And all with the piss poor English language skills that characterised your previous posts. Whats that you said about destroying brain cells?

You are right on one thing - it is my choice. Why then, I wonder, does society deem me worthy to be in cages built for murderers and child molestors?

[hannah.]

anita why dont you go and have a smoke, it might open up your mind a bit dear

[Stu]

Originally posted by hannah.
anita why dont you go and have a smoke, it might open up your mind a bit dear

No! Never! Even occasional smoking of Cannabis, for enjoyment [what the hell IS that anyway?!] will destroy VITAL brain cells! And will make you instantly thick! Some guys she worked with say so!

Lets all destroy the fun things in life. Their. Now we are going to live a lot longer. And with a whole lot less to live for.

[30stone]

Lets leave this now, before i have to close it, play nice.

[hannah.]

oh stu! that last comment about living longer. I live by it and want it on my gravestone.
why the fcuk is the point in giving up things that I enjoy because I may live 10 years longer
when I also may get hit by a bus tomorrow.

load of bollocks. some people are too busy looking down their noses at people to consider the fact that they might actually be doing things because they ENJOY them

[AnitaBiernow]

aw, poor baby. Can't find 'fun' so you resort to illegal drugs and insulting complete strangers on a forum.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2892048

since cannabis has only been in use for a mere 3 decades, and not enough long-term research has been completed yet (e.g. look how long it took for the REAL capable scientists to beat the tobacco companies reign of pseudo-science) you go and break the law and hang wiht the losers at the pub down the street. nighty night!

[hannah.]

ben there is absolutely no need to close this, there have been no unnecessary insults from anyone. its a debate.

[Stu]

Originally posted by AnitaBiernow
since cannabis has only been in use for a mere 3 decades,

Oh. My. God.