[J-Rock]

ElProximo - I think I got a reaction there? Just wanted to show you what it can feel like. Not saying I 'owned' you or anything. FFS, it's a forum so how could I?

Also, there was no anger whatsoever in my post - didn't feel angry one bit while posting. So again shows how a forum is not the place for being able to 'work each other out'. I was just suprised and saddened at some people's reactions and vitriol to last night's debacle.

Secondly, there was no 'quick reaction' about it. I've seen many of your posts (and some of them are funny/interesting - but sometimes I do feel you overstep the mark). My opinion.

e.g. I find it a little strange that someone who can 'laugh out loud' at another's suffering (gameshow or not), can be doing such good work on helping people on the outside. But, and I have no reason to doubt you, if this is so then keep it up! x

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by J-Rock
ElProximo - I think I got a reaction there? Just wanted to show you what it can feel like. Not saying I 'owned' you or anything. FFS, it's a forum so how could I?

Also, there was no anger whatsoever in my post - didn't feel angry one bit while posting. So again shows how a forum is not the place for being able to 'work each other out'. I was just suprised and saddened at some people's reactions and vitriol to last night's debacle.

Secondly, there was no 'quick reaction' about it. I've seen many of your posts (and some of them are funny/interesting - but sometimes I do feel you overstep the mark). My opinion.

e.g. I find it a little strange that someone who can 'laugh out loud' at another's suffering (gameshow or not), can be doing such good work on helping people on the outside. But, and I have no reason to doubt you, if this is so then keep it up! x

Im sorry for butting in here ,but I must ask you HTF was Freddie"suffering"

[fredrica]

Originally posted by Prole

You've been "asked to explain" by whom, exactly? And actually, you've not explained anything! You've just said that that Freddie was having an attack (Dahhh, ya think so?) and that Bea was anxious and not deliberately provocative (and honestly, rarely have you been more wrong)

Are you the resident psychologist or something? If you were you would know that there is no way in this world, or the next, that you could diagnose anyone from watching them on telly.

Have you ever had a panic attack? Are you that expert enough then to diagnose those that do? I understand where you are coming from however it each person who does have a panic attack will describe how they feel when it is happening and it will be slightly different for each person.

Wwll what will be will be.

[J-Rock]

BBmassive - stop butting in! How dare you! haha

OK, it's not a problem if you couldnt see it. You seemed to recognise it on another thread, but now here it appears not. So be it.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by J-Rock

e.g. I find it a little strange that someone who can 'laugh out loud' at another's suffering (gameshow or not), can be doing such good work on helping people on the outside.

Its sometimes used as a coping mechanism. I have been involved in some fairly traumatic situations and humour is often used to diffuse stressful distressing and depressing situations.

Humour can also be used as a shield and provides a defence mechanism for what could damage us as well as traumatise us. It can also be used to hide our disgust at seeing ourselves reflected in either or both sides of any given distasteful situation

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by fredrica

Have you ever had a panic attack? Are you that expert enough then to diagnose those that do? I understand where you are coming from however it each person who does have a panic attack will describe how they feel when it is happening and it will be slightly different for each person.

Wwll what will be will be.

There were plenty on here this morning trying to diagnose Freddie's behaviour last night as a 'panic attack'!

The controversy arose when others pointed out that noone could be sure of that - it required a proper medical diagnosis!!

Anything less - was just opinion!

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Shasown

Its sometimes used as a coping mechanism. I have been involved in some fairly traumatic situations and humour is often used to diffuse stressful distressing and depressing situations.

Humour can also be used as a shield and provides a defence mechanism for what could damage us as well as traumatise us. It can also be used to hide our disgust at seeing ourselves reflected in either or both sides of any given distasteful situation

Quite

People want to try working in the health service - they might then have a better understanding!

[J-Rock]

Commonsense - you have obviously not read my post or elproximos and are therefore responding out of context.

So, firstly, you are not living up to your username, and secondly I have been working in the NHS for 15 years...

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by J-Rock
BBmassive - stop butting in! How dare you! haha

OK, it's not a problem if you couldnt see it. You seemed to recognise it on another thread, but now here it appears not. So be it.

J rock i was quoting HIM (God why didnt i put those sodding speech marks in ?)Not for a single split second do I think he had a GENUINE panic attack MY OPINION and its as valid as EVERYONE elses

[Prole]

Originally posted by fredrica

Have you ever had a panic attack? Are you that expert enough then to diagnose those that do? I understand where you are coming from however it each person who does have a panic attack will describe how they feel when it is happening and it will be slightly different for each person.

Wwll what will be will be.

I think I'm one of a few on this thread who doesn't consider themselves some kind of expert in the subject and is not attempting to make a diagnosis, so honestly, I have no idea what you're going on about. A lot of you people are just trying to outdo each other with your psychobabble and prove you're more feeling and sympathetic than anyone else. To be honest, you look a little daft.

I have great empathy with anyone who suffers any kind of anxiety, whether or not I myself have suffered is neither here nor there. Of course I understand that symptoms differ from person to person. I understand that because I'm not a bl**dy idiot.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by J-Rock
Commonsense - you have obviously not read my post or elproximos and are therefore responding out of context.

So, firstly, you are not living up to your username, and secondly I have been working in the NHS for 15 years...

Actually my comment wasn't directed at you - it was more of a general comment - sorry if it sounded as if I was!

[Tigglet]

I'm not a doctor or a psychologist, so I don't exactly know what constitutes a 'panic attack' and what doesn't, but then I don't think Freddie knows either - I think he was just trying to find a phrase that articulated what he was experiencing.

I've been in situations before where I've felt under so much stress or anxiety, or that I've felt so backed into a corner or so angry, that I'm unable to speak at all even if I try. And if I am then it's not comprehensible!

I'm not sure if that counts as a 'panic attack', but even if he wasn't having one, I think it's pretty obvious from what he was saying and his body language that he was experiencing some kind of extreme response to stress.

Compare that with Bea last night, when even though she was supposed to be really really upset, she was still completely articulate. Freddie was a grown, educated man reduced to sobbing under a duvet!

So I don't think Freddie was making it up when he said he was having one, he was just trying to find something that described what he was going through. And if you're suggesting he acted the entire thing - I'm not sure it's possible to make that up either!

[squinky]

Originally posted by SocietyIsRuined
How did he get past the psychological tests?

We've had Sree who after leaving the house slits his wrists and now Halfwit who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks.

Somethings not right with the people who are evaluating the contestants. You do not let someone with mental health issues into such a paranoid enviroment like the Big Brother house.

well,if that the case then why allow sociapaths and narcissists into the house,they are after all severe personality disorders.these people can be very unpredictable and unstable,and can even become violent.whereas,someone who suffers from panic attacks,generally isnt.

[boomoo]

Originally posted by Cybele

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Freddie has a complicated history and we only know part of it because the housemates did not really want to hear about his difficulties. He said he was undiagnosed with Dyslexia until he was 13. This is not just the inability to read. he said he had to have his brain reorganised. You could tell this with the hesitation in his speech and he said he needed to go to bed at a reasonable time because the effort of getting his words right left him drained.

This why he suddenly had the attack he experienced. He also has asthma which certainly would be aggravated by Bea's behaviour.
I hope she is proud of herself because she will pay for it when she gets out.

It was great to see Freddie get the best reception of the series and he learnt that he was really liked by a lot of people. He came across as a really likeable person when he was relaxed.

[Violetfairy]

I blame Bea because if you can see someone who is clearly under stress and needs time to be alone, a NORMAL person who back away and give them space. But NOT Bea, Bea has to be B I T C H Y and stir up more emotion from the poor guy. To be quite honest Freddie leaving tonight has been the best thing for him, because how much more can he have taken before really snapping. God I would of smacked that girl ages ago, she really needs someone to clip her bully wings.