[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

You havent responded to my post asking you to define "recent" and "terrorism" could you also define what you mean by "recent attacks that affect us ".

You see those are very subjective terms. the pilot flying into the tax office could be classed as a domestic terrorist attack, (whether he was or wasnt part of a larger group). He intended to produce terror in those he considered his enemy.

Just had to read the Daily Mail first before I could respond - as apparently that is where my opinions come from!

I don't doubt any of the information you have given - but my primary concern, as seems to be that of most ordinary Brits, understandably, is the more recent attacks on Britain, America and our forces in Afghanistan etc in the last few years - going back to 9/11.

They are Muslin attacks and they are what affect us most at this point in time - and we are all well aware that the situation is going to continue, and may well get worse - and that is why many, including myself, have the views we have - not because of what we read in the Daily Mail.

[WOMBAI]

On your first highlighted point - to be honest - I think I more or less covered that in a post to Shasown - when I said that I am most concerned, like many others, with recent events going back to 9/11 in Britain, America and Afghanistan - I am not taking about history - no I don't know enough about that - I am talking now - and how the terrorism threat from Muslims is affecting us now - and hence my opinions - not from the Daily Mail - that was quite offensive you know. You feel I have insulted you, I feel you have insulted me - tit for tat I guess.

Of course there is a lot of media hype - but these things still occured and the threat is still there - that is not just hype. I do have some issues with the Muslim religion - and have never made any secret of that - but that is with the religion - not a race issue - and I am sick of people trying to win an argument by implying I am racist. I am not.

I certainly don't consider myself a hysterical person - and feel your suggestion of that was unfounded - so of course I was likely to hit back at that. I feel I am entitled to express my opinions, without the constant criticism I receive from some when I do. If people don't agree with my opinions - fine - but I will express them - popular or not - and will defend myself against unecessary accusations of racism. People do need to distinguish between race and religion - I am talking generally here, not necessarily about you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

On your first highlighted point - to be honest - I think I more or less covered that in a post to Shasown - when I said that I am most concerned, like many others, with recent events going back to 9/11 in Britain, America and Afghanistan - I am not taking about history - no I don't know enough about that - I am talking now - and how the terrorism threat from Muslims is affecting us now - and hence my opinions - not from the Daily Mail - that was quite offensive you know. You feel I have insulted you, I feel you have insulted me - tit for tat I guess.

Of course there is a lot of media hype - but these things still occured and the threat is still there - that is not just hype. I do have some issues with the Muslim religion - and have never made any secret of that - but that is with the religion - not a race issue - and I am sick of people trying to win an argument by implying I am racist. I am not.

I certainly don't consider myself a hysterical person - and feel your suggestion of that was unfounded - so of course I was likely to hit back at that. I feel I am entitled to express my opinions, without the constant criticism I receive from some when I do. If people don't agree with my opinions - fine - but I will express them - popular or not - and will defend myself against unecessary accusations of racism. People do need to distinguish between race and religion - I am talking generally here, not necessarily about you.

I do agree that on the scale of terrorist threats, Al Queda and Islamic extremists do rank high but terrorism exists in many forms, The afforementioned only gets the most coverage because it's the posterchild. Which is surprising as we do have the potential for trouble closer to home with the resurgance of the IRA but that will not got much coverage due to the fact it doesn't bode well with the carefully built image of terrorism that the media has created.

Look at the American Man at the heart of thread, he's not really been considered a terrorist although his methods are similar to one, would it have been different if it was a muslim flying that plane? Definitely but like my example of the White Supramist last year (which wasn't covered much), They weren't covered or treated like terrorists because they weren't Al Queda or Extremists and thus the media wasn't interested in branding them so.

It's nothing new though back in the 80's and 90's then the UK and America had the threat of the IRA and radical White Supramicists respectively, Al Queda threats were put on the back burner. The best way to think of it is that the media works almost in fads, When it comes to Terrorism Islamic extremism is the 'in' thing, if there's an attack by another group then they'd become the new major threat.

I've never called you racist but I agree with you that it's a card that shouldn't be used in this instant as religion is not race exclusive and I don't really believe you are a racist anyway.

[Shasown]

Did anyone hear a loud bang in Newry last night?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Did anyone hear a loud bang in Newry last night?

Yes but No Deaths.


It is all about the number that Die.



Like in the Illegal Invasion of Iraq
all those Public people murdered in Cold blood
by Carpet Bombing from Evil GW.Bush.
Backed by Evil New Labour.

[ILoveTRW]

this story says everything about the modern day media. The fact that this was not reported outside of texas is absolutely outstanding. This would of been reported every where if the guy was a Muslim

<3 Austin btw

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ILoveDC

this story says everything about the modern day media. The fact that this was not reported outside of texas is absolutely outstanding. This would of been reported every where if the guy was a Muslim

<3 Austin btw

That's not a bad old point you've brought up to be fair.