[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes very good news for religious bigots and homophobes up and down the land.

How nice of him to "forgive" the police. What was he forgiving them for? Following the law of the land and doing their jobs?

They were doing neither. This is a classic example of Police targeting easy targets rather than actually fight real crime which is much harder.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Stu

I agree. People should be free to be as stupid as they want.

i agree

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

alright no need to speak to me like I'm a ******. I misread, my point still stands.

PMSL there is a comeback to that ..... nah sorry mate didnt mean to imply you were, just some people dont seem to understand there is a difference.

But yeah you are quite right in the point you made, forgiveness and acceptance dont seem to be the focus of many Christians. As far as I can recall Jesus never said its wrong for women to love one another or even for men to do likewise, that was man putting words into the mouth of god.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

PMSL there is a comeback to that ..... nah sorry mate didnt mean to imply you were, just some people dont seem to understand there is a difference.

But yeah you are quite right in the point you made, forgiveness and acceptance dont seem to be the focus of many Christians. As far as I can recall Jesus never said its wrong for women to love one another or even for men to do likewise, that was man putting words into the mouth of god.

Christianity is based on the life and character of Jesus not of man

the "that is not a very Christian attitude" guff is so old it may yet make an InOne avatar

[Captain.Remy]

I may be a Christian but that's taken a bit too far. I mean, so what if they love eating each other's mussel ? They still believe in God. Religion needs to move on according to the time it's being applied on. We live in the 21st century, time to cut the bull**** about condoms, abortion and same sex marriage.

By the way, last night I've watched "Lesbo Jumbo Dildo Combo Volume IX". Amazing.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Christianity is based on the life and character of Jesus not of man

the "that is not a very Christian attitude" guff is so old it may yet make an InOne avatar

He is still watching you LT...

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They were doing neither. This is a classic example of Police targeting easy targets rather than actually fight real crime which is much harder.

A PCSO complained about him after chatting to him. The police have to act on complaints. If you look at the history of his case you will see on first appearance in court magistrates allowed the case to proceed as opposed to chucking it in the bin.

It was the Crown Prosecution Service who decided to bin the case. That doesnt mean he wasnt guilty of the original charge “harassment, alarm or distress” contrary to Section 5 of the public order act. Just they decided not to pursue the case to a conclusion.

Nor does it mean the police were incorrect in arresting him and charging him.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Christianity is based on the life and character of Jesus not of man

the "that is not a very Christian attitude" guff is so old it may yet make an InOne avatar

Did Jesus say it is wrong of a man to take it up the chuff or not? Did he say it was wrong for a woman to lick and flick the bean of another woman?

If the answer is no, then who is man to decide what Jesus or his dad wanted.

I think his main message for people was something along the lines of unconditional love for each other, dont think he preconditioned that by saying so long as they are straight or any thing else. In fact didnt he set an example by giving his life for everyone, regardless of race colour belief or gender? Didnt he get crucified to bring salvation to everyone? Or am I missing something?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

Neither of them were willing to get on their knees.

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[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

PMSL there is a comeback to that ..... nah sorry mate didnt mean to imply you were, just some people dont seem to understand there is a difference.

But yeah you are quite right in the point you made, forgiveness and acceptance dont seem to be the focus of many Christians. As far as I can recall Jesus never said its wrong for women to love one another or even for men to do likewise, that was man putting words into the mouth of god.

haha sorry if I seemed a little brash there :P

I mean I'm not justifying the Christina church's view or actions, but there are some things that will never change, or at least not any time soon so in my opinion they were looking for trouble in the first place. The very fact they went a newspaper with the story and had their photo taken professionally for the story, screams attention-seeking to me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Did Jesus say it is wrong of a man to take it up the chuff or not? Did he say it was wrong for a woman to lick and flick the bean of another woman?

If the answer is no, then who is man to decide what Jesus or his dad wanted.

I think his main message for people was something along the lines of unconditional love for each other, dont think he preconditioned that by saying so long as they are straight or any thing else. In fact didnt he set an example by giving his life for everyone, regardless of race colour belief or gender? Didnt he get crucified to bring salvation to everyone? Or am I missing something?

You are missing something and have not read your Bible.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You are missing something and have not read your Bible.

Really? Where?

You are telling me a man in his early 30's with long hair and a beard waltzing round the Middle East, with a bunch of other blokes, being a bit of a rebel and hacking off the Sanhedrin, pharisees scribes etc. didnt try a bit of hershey highway action at least once?

Or that all 12 of his merry men were absolutely straight? It only mentions one of them being married in the gospels. In those days most Jewish boys were married off early, in fact it was looked upon as duty in most of the society to marry and have children.

Isnt that the real reason why the christian faith as a whole have a major hardon for homosexuals, because the hero of their faith may have been one himself?


Ooops looks like I am going ta hell for that eh?

[Wildcat!]

What a ridiculous situation. Anyways, for me, I dont understand if youre a homosexual, why you would want to go to a church anyways, listening to the sermon of someone who obviously thinks you live in sin. The argument that did Jesus say its wrong to be a homosexual, is just stretching it. Some things are just obvious. NOt saying that its wrong, biblical religions dont accept it. The fact that same sex marriages arent allowed is all you need to know, and sex outside of marriage is a sin. So ots obvious what the church's stand on that is.

SO yeah, my point is, I dont understand why you would go to the church. I can understand, people who believe in christianity and are homosexuals, creating their own place of whorship. YOu dont need to go the church to pray, you can do that anywhere you want.

JUst some questions for me by the way. I do think everyone has the right to go to church no matter what, so its their choice. Its also the churchs choice to kick you ut obviously, weather hypocritical or not!

[Wildcat!]

And BTW, why wasnt there more such type lesbians in the L word!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

What a ridiculous situation. Anyways, for me, I dont understand if youre a homosexual, why you would want to go to a church anyways, listening to the sermon of someone who obviously thinks you live in sin. The argument that did Jesus say its wrong to be a homosexual, is just stretching it. Some things are just obvious. NOt saying that its wrong, biblical religions dont accept it. The fact that same sex marriages arent allowed is all you need to know, and sex outside of marriage is a sin. So ots obvious what the church's stand on that is.

SO yeah, my point is, I dont understand why you would go to the church. I can understand, people who believe in christianity and are homosexuals, creating their own place of whorship. YOu dont need to go the church to pray, you can do that anywhere you want.

JUst some questions for me by the way. I do think everyone has the right to go to church no matter what, so its their choice. Its also the churchs choice to kick you ut obviously, weather hypocritical or not!

Maybe they believed the congregation whom they had known for years would accept them as a couple, maybe they believed that their sexual beliefs didnt make them sinners. Maybe they wanted to court publicity for themselves by having such a situation kick off.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

What a ridiculous situation. Anyways, for me, I dont understand if youre a homosexual, why you would want to go to a church anyways, listening to the sermon of someone who obviously thinks you live in sin. The argument that did Jesus say its wrong to be a homosexual, is just stretching it. Some things are just obvious. NOt saying that its wrong, biblical religions dont accept it. The fact that same sex marriages arent allowed is all you need to know, and sex outside of marriage is a sin. So ots obvious what the church's stand on that is.

SO yeah, my point is, I dont understand why you would go to the church. I can understand, people who believe in christianity and are homosexuals, creating their own place of whorship. YOu dont need to go the church to pray, you can do that anywhere you want.

JUst some questions for me by the way. I do think everyone has the right to go to church no matter what, so its their choice. Its also the churchs choice to kick you ut obviously, weather hypocritical or not!

And I think you will find that churches are full of people who have had sex outside marage.

Everyone in the damn church is a sinner. That's part of the idea. None of us are free from sin. So why target out the gays?

[Wildcat!]

I am not looking at it from the POV of the church. In that regard, we all know, they do not accept same sex union. I think its obvious, weather you want to talk about logistics r not, if youre honest with yourself, you know the religion does not condone it.

BUt fair enough if you think its an omission by the church, and a misinterpretation. In that case I think if I was in the situation (ie I am homosexual, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ), then I would whorship in my own way, I wouldnt go to church, unless its a church that accepts my sexuality.

AGAIN, this is just what I would do, and I was just stating my misunderstanding of the people who insist on putting it out there, in the church which obviously dont accept it.

Again, just me!

[Stu]

And all of that church not accepting rubbish relates to people who have had sex before or outside marriage too, who fill pews.

But they are different .

[Wildcat!]

Yeah, just like there are people who have committed all kinds of acts, deemed sin by the church, including stealing lying or whatever else. But its a sin, like any other. The church doesnt say their congregation dont commit sins! Christian believers refer to themselves as sinners, because of course, no one is perfect. The difference is, church goers accept that those are sins according to the bible, and therefore, they go to church, pray, confess and whatnot, to be forgiven their sins. I dont think the homosexual, consider that they are sinning, or goes to church to be forgiven their sins. Which is fair enough.

But that brings me back to my point of, why go to church, if you fundamentally disagree with it in that sense? I think basically, that they have their own religion.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Yeah, just like there are people who have committed all kinds of offenses deemed sin by the church, including stealing lying or whatever else. But its a sin, like any other. The church doesnt say their congregation dont commit sins! Christian believers refer to themselves as sinners, because of curse no one is perfect. The difference is, church goers accept that those are sins according t the bible, and therefore, they go to church, pray, confess and whatnot, to be forgiven their sins. I dont think the homosexual, consider that they are sinning, or goes to church to be forgiven their sins. Which is fair enough.

But that brings me back to my point of, why go to church, if you fundamentally disagree with it in that sense?

Exactly. So the Lesbian couple accept that it is a sin according to the Bible, admit they are sinners, and are going to church to pray and coffess. Hey presto.

Of course the Lesbians can still go to church. Maybe there are parts they believe and parts they don't Most Christians have never read The Bible. They don't know what the hell they are worshipping.

It's riddiculous that you are seperating 'ordinary' sinners from gay ones.

[Wildcat!]

Firstly, I do not think most gay people wh are christian, consider themselves as sinning, when it comes to their sexuality. imo, they think the interpretation is wrong, and that they should be allowed to marry! Correct me if I am wrong. So in that sense, no, they dont g to church to be forgiven that particular sin!

And secondly, if you go to church, youre not going there to sin some more are you? And the lesbian who g in there holding hands, arent exactly repentant are they??? Imo, they are blatantly (not like they are having sex or anything), but they are basically standing there saying we are lesbians, and that's just not right imo!

Once again, I believe its their right, But I do think its the sin in the eye of the church, and I dont think most homosexuals think so! Therefore, I dont understand why they would want to go to church.
Isnt what I am saying logical?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Yeah, just like there are people who have committed all kinds of acts, deemed sin by the church, including stealing lying or whatever else. But its a sin, like any other. The church doesnt say their congregation dont commit sins! Christian believers refer to themselves as sinners, because of course, no one is perfect. The difference is, church goers accept that those are sins according to the bible, and therefore, they go to church, pray, confess and whatnot, to be forgiven their sins. I dont think the homosexual, consider that they are sinning, or goes to church to be forgiven their sins. Which is fair enough.

But that brings me back to my point of, why go to church, if you fundamentally disagree with it in that sense? I think basically, that they have their own religion.

So what you are saying is a separate church for homosexuals because its in some way a different form of sin.

Yet serial adulterers, reoffending criminals etc are okay as church members but a person who may live his life impeccably as a christian is barred because of their sexual preference?

I dont understand the christian viewpoint, it is and always has been hypocrisy on a lot of churches to ostracise or treat homosexuals differently than other sinners. Even if that church believes their very lifestyle to be a sin. No one is perfect, And a person having a long term affair is in my eyes a hypocrite if they continue to attend church while having the affair.

[Stu]

So they are commiting a sin even by holding hands? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Brah. Seriously. It's not exactly a practicing act. It's not as if they were in the confession box going all scissor sisters on each other with Cher banging away on the organ.

As for what your saying being logical, well, it would need to be legible first. And it's a far cry from that lofty milestone.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Stu

So they are commiting a sin even by holding hands? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Brah. Seriously. It's not exactly a practicing act. It's not as if they were in the confession box going all scissor sisters on each other with Cher banging away on the organ.

As for what your saying being logical, well, it would need to be legible first. And it's a far cry from that lofty milestone.

I edited my post! I am not saying they are sinning by holding hands, but they are basically saying they are a couple, and Imo, they should refrain from doing that, if they are in the church.

Once again, you cant have a discussion without being rude! My fault for thinking that people change and actually grow up!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Stu

It's not as if they were in the confession box going all scissor sisters on each other with Cher banging away on the organ