[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!

the classic straw man hath emerged

[Crimson Dynamo]

and not to mention all the good in the world that has been a direct result of religion - this is happening now and happens every day, unlike wars. For Christianity it has been happening for the last 2000 years

that is quite long!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and not to mention all the good in the world that has been a direct result of religion - this is happening now and happens every day, unlike wars. For Christianity it has been happening for the last 2000 years

that is quite long!

I once thought I'd try and count up all the Christian aid and relief and human rights orgs and even just the ones specifically related to victims of war.
Its nearly impossible.
There are so many Christian orgs and denominations doing so many things it becomes practically 'uncountable',
but,
It is nothing short of millions of Christians and billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of hours of work, volunteering, travel, building, medicine, counseling,.... It is epic!

One problem I ran into when trying to tally up a list is that Christians seem to follow this teaching of not boasting their works so they don't often have easily available publicized or detailed accounts of their works.
Also so many of them.
I got to something like 80 different denominations with aid programs to war-torn african nations like Liberia but couldn't keep finding enough independent Christian orgs (not affiliated with denominations) and then private Christian groups (so to describe it) and then 'all-denomination' type of Christian charities etc etc
Its MASSIVE.

[Chuckyegg]

How's your campaign coming along?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg

How's your campaign coming along?

Nice to see you supporting it.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Many of you don't know this but I applied for BB last season and removed my application when (among other reasons) I became entirely aware C4 was specifically looking for a 'fool Christian'.
A rather unhappy rant from me went to C4 where I made it clear I was aware they deliberately intended to find 'wacko Christians' who they would then use to humiliate and essentially 'antichristian propaganda'.

Now you have a gist of how the ethnic English feel via ALL the media outlets.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Now you have a gist of how the ethnic English feel via ALL the media outlets.

I most certainly do and did before this. It was just made all the more clear at that time.
They do nothing but confirm it every time out too.

[newspresenter]

Part of C4's licence to broadcast is to promote minority issue's and cultures. Christianity and the English are too big a culture for C4 to promote.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Part of C4's licence to broadcast is to promote minority issue's and cultures. Christianity and the English are too big a culture for C4 to promote.

And that would be perfectly acceptable but they seem to have become confused and believe (as do far too many in UK media) that a way to 'promote minorities' is to them 'demote' and tear down 'majorities'.

The bizarre irony in all of this - tearing down and urinating on Christian Natives isn't for the benefit or enjoyment of any minorities watching as much as its for the satisfaction and alleviation of... .. yep, the rich white elitists types of people running and making fine livings from C4.

[newspresenter]

Exactly. To promote non whites over whites, foreigners over the English, gays over hetros, muslims over christians, thats discrimination.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Common Purpose have influence at Channel4.

[Peter Plunker]

El Proximo, for a man of God do you think you spend too much time watching BB, did you also know that your avatar pic is of a Japanese water demon?

Just saying like.

[monx]

After reading this thread I am sure that nothing I say here will make you (ElProximo) change your stance on this matter however I would just like put my twopenneth in.

I dont believe Channel 4 are trying to damage the Chrisian faith by recruiting Dave for this show, I think they are looking for potential housemates with extreme personalities/views because they make BB "exciting". Personally I enjoyed the "social experiment" aspect but admit to being addicted to watching the "freak show" it has become.

When people are blaming religion for wars and you counter that argument with the assumption that it is land, you are right on one level but to be clear, most of the time it is to "cleanse" land from the oposing religious and cultural combatants. My case in point is Hitlers treatment of the Jews (not forgetting all the other victims of the "final solution") the war between serbia and croatia (christians vs muslim) and what is happening to Tibet at the moment is purely China's wish to eradicate Buddhism and vilify the Dalai Llama.

I am sure that even you cannot argue that the Spanish Inquisition was not a war waged on people due to their religious beliefs.

I dont say all war is based on religion but a great deal is and it is because of the way people are indoctinated from an early age to believe in a certain organised religion, which will have an oposition in any other religion or belief system. Anyone who is considered "other" is a target for hostility, despite most organised religions teaching love and respect for everyone (even if they dont prey to the same god as us) it very rarely happens in reality.

As for the celibacy debate, it was a pope in the 4th century who was worried that priests' families could possibly have a case for maintenance from the church, decided that from that date forward all priests would be celibate and used the fact that Christ was single (or so we are told) in order to validate that decision.

[chauncey]

Sorry but have to admit I find those videos hilarious.'sniffing bible lines'?haha

Don't worry OP,anyone stupid enough to judge all Christians because of one man,is ridiculous anyway.Thats like saying Charley represents all black people,Marco represents all gay men,Shabazz represents all men.Doubt anyone will think that way.

[Stu]

Yeah most of us realize all Christians are in some way suffering from a delusion. Not just David.