[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Chels

Ben fans think he can't do no wrong. I like the guy but I accept and know when he's done something stupid and criticise him for it. Nathan stood up for the common man, and won.

Oh no gurl, he really didn't. He just showed himself up as a childish brute trying to talk with the adults and failing terribly. And that's not even coming from someone who particularly supports Ben.

[Chels]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

If Nathan is the common man, i'm emigrating to Antartica.. the further the better..

Oooooh mature. Get a fooking grip.

[Chels]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Oh no gurl, he really didn't. He just showed himself up as a childish brute trying to talk with the adults and failing terribly. And that's not even coming from someone who particularly supports Ben.

With the adults? Funnily enough Ben is just as immature as Nathan. He is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is as well.

[MrBlack]

Nathan..is a compulsive
scratcher.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Chels

With the adults? Funnily enough Ben is just as immature as Nathan. He is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is as well.

By his own admission he's not intelligent but he is very knowledgable. Nathan just really embarrassed himself picking up on one point Ben made, in Nathan's typical 'everything is black and white way', trying to be this man of the people and really ended up looking pretty pathetic, having to stand up and tower over Ben trying to regain some of his ego while Ben sat.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by MrBlack

Nathan..is a compulsive
scratcher.

did make me lol

[WOMBAI]

Nathan is a common man alright - but in a very Jeremy Kyle kinda way!

[Chels]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

By his own admission he's not intelligent but he is very knowledgable. Nathan just really embarrassed himself picking up on one point Ben made, in Nathan's typical 'everything is black and white way', trying to be this man of the people and really ended up looking pretty pathetic, having to stand up and tower over Ben trying to regain some of his ego while Ben sat.

His 'knowledge' made him look like an absolute kent in my eyes yesterday. He's entitled to his opinion but I didn't agree with it, but most Ben supporters will just use this as an excuse to hate another HM who dares stand up to him. Thing is, Nathan's points is what most of the political public would agree with, like the expenses scandal. Only because he's not an eloquent talker you're saying he looked pathetic, but his intentions were right. Ben was angering him, that's why he stood up and got in his face, he basically insulted war heroes while one was sat in the same room! Even Dave was on Nathan's side.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Chels

His 'knowledge' made him look like an absolute kent in my eyes yesterday. He's entitled to his opinion but I didn't agree with it, but most Ben supporters will just use this as an excuse to hate another HM who dares stand up to him. Thing is, Nathan's points is what most of the political public would agree with, like the expenses scandal. Only because he's not an eloquent talker you're saying he looked pathetic, but his intentions were right. Ben was angering him, that's why he stood up and got in his face, he basically insulted war heroes while one was sat in the same room! Even Dave was on Nathan's side.

Well it wasn't Nathan's business to get mad at Ben. Ben was just expressing his opinion, whether or not Nathan agreed with it is irrelevant, he showed himself up as being really lame in an argument if he has to resort to squaring up to the guy just because he disagrees. And while his intentions may have been right in their very core, they were blind and ignorant and as I said came from his 'black and white' mindset.

And for the record, I don't dislike him because of this incident. It's mostly because I find him to be one of the most mind numbingly dull people in there and also, petty as it may be, find his kitchen hygiene a little revolting. His foul mouth and insensitive comments towards Shabby and Sunshine have done little to endear him to me either. Plus anyone who publicly states Govan is one of his favourite housemates is obviously a really poor judge of character.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Well it wasn't Nathan's business to get mad at Ben. Ben was just expressing his opinion, whether or not Nathan agreed with it is irrelevant, he showed himself up as being really lame in an argument if he has to resort to squaring up to the guy just because he disagrees. And while his intentions may have been right in their very core, they were blind and ignorant and as I said came from his 'black and white' mindset.

And for the record, I don't dislike him because of this incident. It's mostly because I find him to be one of the most mind numbingly dull people in there and also, petty as it may be, find his kitchen hygiene a little revolting.

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

It was a perfectly civilised chat up until the point of his involvement, he couldn't handle such an intelligent level of conversation so had to resort to all he knew - debating via intimidating the opponent. quite a sad characteristic really.

[Chels]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

This, basically lol. You beat me to it

And he can't be that bad at judging people if he had Shabby spot on yesterday. If it was Ben who said that everyone would be falling all over themselves to lick his crack.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

A clear case of pot and kettle! Just as your dislike of Ben is evident in your biased interpretation! More people appear to like Ben than Nathan - believe it or not - there are usually valid reasons for that!

[Chels]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

It was a perfectly civilised chat up until the point of his involvement, he couldn't handle such an intelligent level of conversation so had to resort to all he knew - debating via intimidating the opponent. quite a sad characteristic really.

Intelligent all Ben did was make himself look a stuck up, thoughtless twat IMO.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Chels

This, basically lol. You beat me to it

And he can't be that bad at judging people if he had Shabby spot on yesterday. If it was Ben who said that everyone would be falling all over themselves to lick his crack.

I wouldn't say running his foul mouth about someone hours away from an impending eviction who is a stressful person at the best of times is exactly 'spot on'.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

It was a perfectly civilised chat up until the point of his involvement, he couldn't handle such an intelligent level of conversation so had to resort to all he knew - debating via intimidating the opponent. quite a sad characteristic really.

This!

[Chels]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

A clear case of pot and kettle! Just as your dislike of Ben is evident in your biased interpretation! More people appear to like Ben than Nathan - believe it or not - there are usually valid reasons for that!

That's not neccissarily true. Do you know the entire public yeah? I don't think Nathan is as hated as you'd like to think as well - remember who the sterotypical BB viewers are.

[Chels]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

I wouldn't say running his foul mouth about someone hours away from an impending eviction who is a stressful person at the best of times is exactly 'spot on'.

"A turbulent mardy-arsed bitch" seemed a fair assumption to me. Steve and Dave also agreed.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Chels

That's not neccissarily true. Do you know the entire public yeah? I don't think Nathan is as hated as you'd like to think as well - remember who the sterotypical BB viewers are.

in all fairness, she never implied Nathan was hated, just that Ben is more popular, which evidently is true judging by the TiBB and DS polls, both of which place Ben miles ahead of the other housemates. The DS poll coincidentally actually places Nathan at the very bottom of the Most Favourite Housemate poll, the TiBB poll places him second to last.

[chuff me dizzy]

Nathan is new worst hm8 now Scumshine has gone,biggest gameplayer and total ar$eh0le

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Chels

That's not neccissarily true. Do you know the entire public yeah? I don't think Nathan is as hated as you'd like to think as well - remember who the sterotypical BB viewers are.

Well, with this being the final year and all, hopefully there are more viewers who fall outside of the 'drama loving teen/repulsive caveman lover' bracket voting for the more interesting hms to stay!

[Chels]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

in all fairness, she never implied Nathan was hated, just that Ben is more popular, which evidently is true judging by the TiBB and DS polls, both of which place Ben miles ahead of the other housemates. The DS poll coincidentally actually places Nathan at the very bottom of the Most Favourite Housemate poll, the TiBB poll places him second to last.

Yeah I know she didn't say that, but she's basically posted before that he's hated by the public. And forum polls don't represent the entire public - where was Sophie on the polls this time last year?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

A clear case of pot and kettle! Just as your dislike of Ben is evident in your biased interpretation! More people appear to like Ben than Nathan - believe it or not - there are usually valid reasons for that!

lol,nice one Wombai,the anti Ben brigade are desperately trying(very trying) you got to give them that.I like Ben a lot and that will not change unless I want it to.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Chels

Yeah I know she didn't say that, but she's basically posted before that he's hated by the public. And forum polls don't represent the entire public - where was Sophie on the polls this time last year?

I don't know, probably about middle to the bottom, which would make sense seeing as had the winner been announced on Day 26, Sophie would not have won. Just because results change over the course of the series does not make the polls inaccurate.

[Chels]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Well, with this being the final year and all, hopefully there are more viewers who fall outside of the 'drama loving teen/repulsive caveman lover' bracket voting for the more interesting hms to stay!

If you haven't already noticed, the ratings are just as bad as last years, maybe slightly better. So no, its's just the typical viewers.