[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Steve might argue that the real compassion is in letting the child pay the harshest penalty.
The child might say that it is out of compassion for their parents they do NOT want them visiting them.

Forgiveness. If the child is remorseful then you certainly can forgive them for whatever the crime but that is not the same thing as having them pay the debts and consequences.
Two different things.

As for your hackneyed new parenting ideas I don't think there is any debate on this anymore when you only need to walk around the UK as see what totally disrespectful criminally-minded little pukes run rampant vandalizing and spitting,
and,
Yes, the mentality of these scallies and chavs is straight out of being deprived of any sort of discipline or understanding there are real consequences.

I suggest that your tactics are uncaring, unloving and show no compassion for victims.
Steve is more advanced than you on this one.

Ha, ha - you do make some very valid points though! The results of that kind of parenting can be seen on many a thread on this forum!

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Is Steve not allowed strong opinions - especially on something as personal as the army and it's presence in other countries! We are all entitled to opinions on that, but I guess that Steve felt that some members of the general public often don't know enough about what is going on to have an informed opinion! It is clearly an emotive subject for him - and he over-reacted - we all do it - doesn't mean he has extreme, intolerant views. Maybe you over-react in your description of him based on that incident! No-one is saying he is perfect, but it seems some expect him to be!

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's a pity that Steve doesn't feel the same way.

As for the snoring - what do you propose he does about that - it is not a conscious action that he can control! And most of what you say about him moaning could be applied to any of the other hms at various times - they all love a good moan!

This one is up to the housemates. It doesn't bother me, but I don't blame them for wanting him out for that reason.

I think that your description of him as a 'dirty old man' speaks volumes about your view of his age in relation to his actions. He is 41 that is not old - he is not dead below the waste - and she is not exactly young at 31! He was flattered by her attentions and was trying to join in more and have a bit of fun! Whether he got a bit carried away and OTT in that, perhaps not realising how a predominantly young audience might perceive that, is down to personal opinion - but to call him a perv is pretty OTT in my opinion!

Most people's misgivings about Steve's lechery have less to do with the age difference and more to do with the fact that he is married with eight children.

What is questionable - is Keeley's motives. She has the advantage of knowing how the hms are perceived outside and did seem to make a beeline for Steve - one has to ask why! She is not a silly young girl, but a mature business woman! She was constantly paying him attention and cuddling up to him - the fact that you don't once question her motives - makes me question your judgement!

That's not particularly relevent. The fact that she is playing along with it will be no comfort to Steve's wife.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Steve might argue that the real compassion is in letting the child pay the harshest penalty.
The child might say that it is out of compassion for their parents they do NOT want them visiting them.

Forgiveness. If the child is remorseful then you certainly can forgive them for whatever the crime but that is not the same thing as having them pay the debts and consequences.
Two different things.

As for your hackneyed new parenting ideas I don't think there is any debate on this anymore when you only need to walk around the UK as see what totally disrespectful criminally-minded little pukes run rampant vandalizing and spitting,
and,
Yes, the mentality of these scallies and chavs is straight out of being deprived of any sort of discipline or understanding there are real consequences.

I suggest that your tactics are uncaring, unloving and show no compassion for victims.
Steve is more advanced than you on this one.

Unfortunately parenting decisions are in many cases taken away from the parent as soon as a child enters the criminal justice system, parents have to conform to the supposed idealised parent model as dictated by the local social services.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's a pity that Steve doesn't feel the same way.



This one is up to the housemates. It doesn't bother me, but I don't blame them for wanting him out for that reason.



Most people's misgivings about Steve's lechery have less to do with the age difference and more to do with the fact that he is married with eight children.



That's not particularly relevent. The fact that she is playing along with it will be no comfort to Steve's wife.

excatly, I'm sure there are very honorable ex army members, I just don't think Steve is one of them, he's a boring and a bit of a sleaze

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's a pity that Steve doesn't feel the same way.



This one is up to the housemates. It doesn't bother me, but I don't blame them for wanting him out for that reason.



Most people's misgivings about Steve's lechery have less to do with the age difference and more to do with the fact that he is married with eight children.



That's not particularly relevent. The fact that she is playing along with it will be no comfort to Steve's wife.

Steve's wife knows him better than anyone - and I suspect she is having a good giggle about his antics - probably likely to be more pissed off at all the nasty pervy comments being made about him!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Steve's wife knows him better than anyone - and I suspect she is having a good giggle about his antics - probably likely to be more pissed off at all the nasty pervy comments being made about him!

Do you really think so? I wouldn't be giggling if I was his wife. She is his 3rd wife as well so I wouldn't be so sure that you're right!

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Steve's wife knows him better than anyone - and I suspect she is having a good giggle about his antics - probably likely to be more pissed off at all the nasty pervy comments being made about him!

So you're shifting any notion of 'perviness' onto his critics? Very mature.

While I am sure Steve's wife loves him, she is not so blinkered that this will be perceived as a bit of harmless fun.

[Beso]

Some people need to live a little, this sort of thing goes on every day in pubs and house party's when people are out with friends as couples.

You never played the pick up the cereal box game!!!

[JEJ]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Do you really think so? I wouldn't be giggling if I was his wife. She is his 3rd wife as well so I wouldn't be so sure that you're right!

Agreed

[JEJ]

If I was his wife I'd be mortified and embarrassed for him, there's no fool like an old fool

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Do you really think so? I wouldn't be giggling if I was his wife. She is his 3rd wife as well so I wouldn't be so sure that you're right!

Of course I may be wrong - but they have been married quite a while and probably way past the jealousy stage! If I am right in my belief that he is just larking about and really doesn't mean any harm, his wife will already know that and not be jealous or offended! If I'm wrong about that - then yes, she is likely to be pretty annoyed! I just can't help believing, from what I have seen, that people are way over-reacting!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JEJ

If I was his wife I'd be mortified and embarrassed for him, there's no fool like an old fool

It all boils down to what we'd find acceptable behavior from our own partners tbh I personally would be disgusted if my husband behaved like that

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Of course I may be wrong - but they have been married quite a while and probably way past the jealousy stage! If I am right in my belief that he is just larking about and really doesn't mean any harm, his wife will already know that and not be jealous or offended! If I'm wrong about that - then yes, she is likely to be pretty annoyed! I just can't help believing, from what I have seen, that people are way over-reacting!

It's not so much that i think she'd be jealous, if it were me I'd feel disrespected and embarrassed. But like I said I'm basing my opinions on what I would feel myself, maybe she would feel differently

[joeysteele]

Rachel is not 31 and he has bben leering after her too,elproximo,all I can say to you as to your response as to Steves attitude to a child of his going to prison and not visiting them is, that I am fortunate never to have been in truble with the law but had I ever been I would be massively grateful I have the Parents I have rather than either you or Steve.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

It all boils down to what we'd find acceptable behavior from our own partners tbh I personally would be disgusted if my husband behaved like that

Agree Niamh.
I have been married awhile also and if he behaved like that with another woman then he get better busy trying to win because he would need the mun to find himself somewhere else to live.But that's just me .their relationship may be different.

I don't have a problem with harmless flirting .But for me this is different ,I mean Dave cuddles the females & males . IMO Steve seems to be spending most of his time cuddling the one person..Keeley.Banter my arse!

Yes I agree their is a pair of them in it ,but she's a single girl..no partner or kids to worry about at home.Steve on the other hand does.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Rachel is not 31 and he has bben leering after her too,elproximo,all I can say to you as to your response as to Steves attitude to a child of his going to prison and not visiting them is, that I am fortunate never to have been in truble with the law but had I ever been I would be massively grateful I have the Parents I have rather than either you or Steve.

I disagree with your prediction. In my experience (actually my fathers) it was the best thing his parents ever did,
and,
he is thankful for it,
and,
he has huge respect for his father for the 'tough love'.

At that time.. no, you would NOT appreciate it because you would just think of yourself and what you wanted to feel good,
but,
later you would remember learning a severe lesson and be grateful you did not have to see your parents ashamed, queuing up in a prison for visiting, being searched etc,
but anyways,
more importantly - you would later be grateful when you realized it made you less interested in committing more crimes and set a strict limit where consequences were paid.

For some reason some people here are interpreting Steves proposal to mean "If my child was wrongfully in prison".
I suggest Steve's hypothetical scenario was presuming the child DID deserve to be there.