[joeysteele]

I voted no,they should not be banned.

I think it's something that needs to be left to the medical profession and I think we would tread a hard road if attempts to ban it for religious purposes were also tried.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I voted no,they should not be banned.

I think it's something that needs to be left to the medical profession and I think we would tread a hard road if attempts to ban it for religious purposes were also tried.

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

No it isn't there is a condition believed to be caused by Diabetes,that makes for very painful foreskin and problems in moving it.

It is then sometimes that only circumcision treats that problem done at urology depts in hospitals.
There can be lots of health matters relating to circumcision being done in the end,look up balanitis, I think it's called.

(I have just seen that this thread is talking about Baby's though,if it's Jewish custom to do so and the parents agree,I don't feel I have any right to say otherwise.
My point remains valid, circumcision is an option though for foreskin problems that cannot be cured by other means like creams and antibiotics).

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It has nowt to do with the medical profession it is done by Jews who want to be different.

Just for the record i'm not Jewish, but i think based on this statement from you, we all now know where yur real issues lie. You use this as your excuse to be anti-semetic. I'm sure you also have some strong opinions on the right of Israel to be a sovereign jewish state, am i right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Just for the record i'm not Jewish, but i think based on this statement from you, we all now know where yur real issues lie. You use this as your excuse to be anti-semetic. I'm sure you also have some strong opinions on the right of Israel to be a sovereign jewish state, am i right?

I dislike all religions not just the silly jewish one.

Can you explain why your parents mutilated you as a child. What is the reason?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dislike all religions not just the silly jewish one.

Can you explain why your parents mutilated you as a child. What is the reason?

#1. My parents don't owe an explaination to you


#2. I don't owe an explaination to you.

I've dtold you how i feel, as a person who has FIRST hand experience with this. I don't need to explain it further, i didn't need to explain it to begin with.

The fact is, it's absolutely NONE of your business. You talk as if you have been damaged in some way. Have you ben damaged? if not, then keep yur ignorant (yes, if you are not cut, then yu are ignorant) opinion to yourself.

As a person who has been circumcised i can assure you, it is not mutilation, it is not damaging, it is not wrong.

But i guess you don't want to hear that.

[Sam:)]

The point I was trying to make is that it also said on that C4 sex show that there is no medical benifits! If there is no medical benefits does this not make it a COSMETIC PROCEDURE. I mean some people have to get it done for medical reasons but why should a baby be subject to such a pointless procedure.

[CharlieO]

There are benefits to circumcision. (would have copied and pasted from the website but it wouldn't let me)

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

There are benefits to circumcision. (would have copied and pasted from the website but it wouldn't let me)

1.The risk of getting a urinary tract infection is decreased because the urethra is protected by the foreskin,the foreskins main purpose is to protect the head and produce oils.

2.There is no cancer risk from being circumcised.

3.There is no increase in the chance of getting an STD from unprotected sex!

4.The penis looks practically the same when your erect and that's when the girls see it.

Yes up to 10% may need to be circumcised for medical reasons but about 6 in 100 people in the UK have appendicitis sometime in their life requiring the need for there appendix to be removed! Why don't we remove the appendix at birth.

[CharlieO]

Yes but its far easier for a persons ego to go to the doctor and get you appendix out than having the courage for a young teenager to get their knob out in front of a doctor or tell their parents they have a problem down there.

But I don't see why this is even a debate. Some people get it some people don't. Its not like it scars the baby emotionally so I don't see the problem. And not having it is fine as well. Its just a parental choice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Yes but its far easier for a persons ego to go to the doctor and get you appendix out than having the courage for a young teenager to get their knob out in front of a doctor or tell their parents they have a problem down there.

But I don't see why this is even a debate. Some people get it some people don't. Its not like it scars the baby emotionally so I don't see the problem. And not having it is fine as well. Its just a parental choice.

As far as i am aware no one in their right mind would do this to a child unless it was medically necessary (unusual) or you are a jew.

I have never heard of a parent do it for any other reason

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As far as i am aware no one in their right mind would do this to a child unless it was medically necessary (unusual) or you are a jew.

I have never heard of a parent do it for any other reason

Lots of Americans have it done for non-medical/religious reasons. There is no imminent problem with having it done or not having it done so I really don't see the problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

Lots of Americans have it done for non-medical/religious reasons. There is no imminent problem with having it done or not having it done so I really don't see the problem.

Lots? how many and and what age?

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lots? how many and and what age?

In 2000 over 80% of american males were circumcised. That has since decreased to just over 40%. And 70% of those are done in infancy.

The UK around is supposedly less than 1%. So yes lots compared with here.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lots? how many and and what age?

Since yur so into statistics, why don't you tell us, out of all of the MILLIONS of men that are circumcised, how many of them suffered any horrible consequence because of it?

How about you start giving us some statistics.

Tell me, how many men are circumcised, and what percentage of those men,m have suffered any kind of ill health, or problems because of it.

When are you gonna start showing us some real numbers? Tell us what percentage of circumcised men would call themselves "mutilated"?

You've got a big mouth, and so far nothing to back it up.

[lostalex]

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

oh dear

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The truth is, let's really look at this, who are these extremists that want to make laws on our bodies really targeting. They are targeting Americans, and they are targeting Jews.

This is a political issue for them. These people are racists and anti-semites. That is the real issue behind this conversation. They try to talk in code, but we can see right through them.

I'm not targeting Jews or Americans, I'm not talking about banning it completely, I'm just saying it does not make sense to subject a baby to such an unneceseray surgery. That and its the child's body and it is the child who has to live with it so should it not be the child's choice.

[CharlieO]

That kind of information isn't available online easily so I can not tell you exactly but it does tell you only 1.4% of America are jewish so that would make 38.6% of non-american males circumcised considering all the jews in America are circumcised. Happy?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

That kind of information isn't available online easily so I can not tell you exactly but it does tell you only 1.4% of America are jewish so that would make 38.6% of non-american males circumcised considering all the jews in America are circumcised. Happy?

Thankfully it is a rapidly dwindling number and should die out fairly soon

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thankfully it is a rapidly dwindling number and should die out fairly soon

Why thankfully. It makes no difference. So what is the problem?

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least 5 studies have shown that two thirds of therapeutic circumcisions conducted by the NHS are unnecessary. The BMA's Michael Wilks has admitted on the BBC that the majority of 'medical' circumcisions are 'unnecessary and premature'. If you're a man circumcised in the UK to resolve a medical issue, we estimate there is a 90% chance that you could have kept your foreskin by using some cream or doing some stretching exercises for a few weeks.

http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_wrong.html

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

At least 5 studies have shown that two thirds of therapeutic circumcisions conducted by the NHS are unnecessary. The BMA's Michael Wilks has admitted on the BBC that the majority of 'medical' circumcisions are 'unnecessary and premature'. If you're a man circumcised in the UK to resolve a medical issue, we estimate there is a 90% chance that you could have kept your foreskin by using some cream or doing some stretching exercises for a few weeks.

http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_wrong.html

still waiting for you to give me the statistics about how circumcision is hurting men, and causing misery, and how they are MUTILATED.

the worst you can come up with is that it's "unneccessary"???

People do a lot of "uneccessary" things every day, we don't ban them though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

still waiting for you to give me the statistics about how circumcision is hurting men, and causing misery, and how they are MUTILATED.

the worst you can come up with is that it's "unneccessary"???

People do a lot of "uneccessary" things every day, we don't ban them though.

Mutilating children for superstition is wrong. Circumcision is unnecessary and should be a choice for adults only. That is what is being argued.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Mutilating children for superstition is wrong. Circumcision is unnecessary and should be a choice for adults only. That is what is being argued.

All religions have their traditions. Some might say circumcision of boys is wrong... some might say Catholics instilling children with a sense of guilt that last some of them a lifetime is just as wrong. It's the way it is.