[Vicky.]

The issue...is that this free labour should be real jobs going to people who actually want to be off the dole(they are not as rare as the media would have you believe). Not people forced to work there...for no real reason... and the government still forking out JSA to them while the 'employers' pay nowt.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The issue...is that this free labour should be real jobs going to people who actually want to be off the dole(they are not as rare as the media would have you believe). Not people forced to work there...for no real reason... and the government still forking out JSA to them while the 'employers' pay nowt.

No Vicky
It did her Good


She gets Paid.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

No Vicky
It did her Good


She gets Paid.

She doesnt get paid...she gets her JSA that she would get anyway.

Im not arguing against this one particular story anyway, Im arguing against the whole scheme in general

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She doesnt get paid...she gets her JSA that she would get anyway.

Im not arguing against this one particular story anyway, Im arguing against the whole scheme in general

Not Any More



You Do what You Are Told




Labour Failed.

Conservative-LibDem get it Right.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She doesnt get paid...she gets her JSA that she would get anyway.

Im not arguing against this one particular story anyway, Im arguing against the whole scheme in general

She won't if she doesn't toe the line and so what she's told .......

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

She won't if she doesn't toe the line and so what she's told .......

And don't let's forget that she is probably receiving non contributory JSA, so she is hardly in a position to call the shots. If she doesn't want to work in Poundland no-one is "forcing" her, but then she will have to forego the JSA that other people's taxes have funded.

[Livia]

There is no disgrace in honest toil. A prospective employer will probably be impressed she's got off her backside and done something rather than sitting around taking benefits while she waits for a plum job. There are plenty of graduates doing unskilled jobs.

[Shasown]

Given that the girl wants to continue working in charity shops as a career path, though not on a strictly voluntary basis. I think its a bit daft that they didnt just assign her work in a charity shop as opposed to a chain store that can actually afford to employ people to do the job she was forced into as a placement.

If the jobsworths in the Department of Work and Pensions actually pulled their fingers from their arses and did the job they were supposed to do, they could have approached the shop where she was working voluntarily and asked them to do the placement.

Or is that simply a question of common sense prevailing over bureacracy?

Mind you suing because she had to stop her voluntary work and follow guidelines she has signed up for by claiming jobseekers allowable is a bit laughable.

But this is the sort of thing we can expect in todays society after all where there is blame there is a claim.

[Shasown]

I say its all a tad dramatic.

Do you really think she is workshy? Or just kicking up a fuss to maybe get some attention that she didnt receive at home?

You reckon she went to uni gained a degree then plans to sit on her ass claiming JSA with letters behind her name for the rest of her days?

As for no contributions to the tax system etc so far, she may have had previous jobs, she may have paid taxes, her parents may be fantastically rich and have paid taxes all their lives at super rate. None that really matters. She will hopefully contribute to the system in the future. Thats one of the basic principles behind the UK Welfare State.

[Kizzy]

Me either, a friend of my nephew just worked very hard in his local halfords,he was so sure he had the chance of a more permanant position.
His manager was singing his praises, and he worked well with other staff.
Two weeks later the store won't return his emails, his jobcentre advisor has recieved no feedback, and a new recruit from the workfare programme has started work....

[King Gizzard]

JC/DWP is a complete and utter joke with the sole intention of finding ways to get innocent people off benefits and not actually helping them obtain long term work

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nathan

JC/DWP is a complete and utter joke with the sole intention of finding ways to get innocent people off benefits and not actually helping them obtain long term work

They are changing how it works, now.

[Kizzy]

The guardian online has posted that only 3.5% of those on workforce get long term work.
Will the government now admit it's a sham?

[Vicky.]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...fits-programme

Getting better

Sick and disabled to be forced to do free work too.

from that article

The MWA scheme also does not work. The DWP's most recent study is clear about its efficacy: it has zero effect on increasing people's chances of getting a job. Nevertheless, the idea of forcing those on benefits to undertake weeks and months of unpaid work has spread. In August the London mayor, Boris Johnson, announced he was using European social fund money to force 18- to 24-year-olds to commit themselves to 13 weeks of unpaid work.

So why keep pushing with it eh? Why so keen to provide free labour for businesses?

[Kizzy]

I don't know vicky... It's disgusting how anyone can justify this slave labour I don't know!
An honest days work for a decent days pay that is the only way that society will prosper.
I don't know where they are getting these policies from...
the 1880's from the sounds of it!

[Marcus.]

silly girl

[Kizzy]

Who is silly and why???

[Vicky.]

So..it turns out workfare IS replacing actual jobs. Most of us knew this already, its just basic common sense...offer an employer free staff, they will take advantage.

Instead of just copying the links and such...

Originally Posted by Diaz

Homebase poster here: http://www.boycottworkfare.org/wp-co...e-workfare.jpg

This poster, leaked yesterday from Haringey Homebase, shows exactly how employers view workfare: an easy way to cut the wages bill. Homebase claim “We ensure they work alongside, not replace, paid colleagues”, but a staff member has told us that since tens of workfare placements were brought in, overtime has been cut for everyone. Some people’s hours have been cut from 48 down to 8 – far below the threshold for Working Tax Credits – because that is all they are contracted for.

It turns out 750 hours with no payroll costs – the figure for just one week in just one of Homebase’s 342 stores – does have a massive impact on the paid work available. Apparently it’s an effect that is popular with the regional manager, who we’ve heard has been trying to get all Homebase stores in her region to use workfare, and has been suspending or moving managers who don’t.

Full article here:

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/?p=2404

Guardian article also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...erience-claims

Contact Homebase:

On Facebook: www.facebook.com/homebase
On Twitter: Tweet to @homebase_uk
By email: order.enquiries@homebase.co.uk or info@homebase.co.uk or enquiries@homebase.co.uk
By phone: 0845 077 8888 or 0845 601 6911

Or contact the company they are owned by: http://www.homeretailgroup.com/contact-us/

Since this came out...homebase have had this to say

https://twitter.com/Homebase_uk/stat...06478882562048

[arista]

Is this Policy Dead now?

[Vicky.]

Unfortunately not. Its still being used.

[Kizzy]

I don't understand what is happening here... is this employer exploiting the workfare system? or do the government know that this practice happens and are turning a blind eye. If they are why, of what benefit is it to keep people on the dole not earning the means to pay direct or indirect taxes?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't understand what is happening here... is this employer exploiting the workfare system? or do the government know that this practice happens and are turning a blind eye. If they are why, of what benefit is it to keep people on the dole not earning the means to pay direct or indirect taxes?

I have absolutely no idea.

Apparently the dwp pay the companies 2k or so to take on the workfare people in the first place too :S