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stop saying members views are stupid its post like this that get threads closed!
How about you stop telling people what to post? From what I've seen on these sort of threads all you offer is nonsense telling people not to post what you deem to be unacceptable. You seem far more interested in policing threads then actually contributing and if that's all you have to say could you not just ... piss off?
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It completely depends on the situation the person's in IMO. I don't think it's a black and white discussion whatsoever.
great post,some people are stronger than others.
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So instead he should have suffered with a monster eating away at his mental state? What was the other option?
He didn't have a monster eating away at him.
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He didn't have a monster eating away at him.
if he got to the point of committing suicide, he did.
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Stupid views? Only I thought it was just established that people have different views on things and they should be respected.
Or are your views superior to mine?
Does that sort of attitude extend to racism and sexism? Do these also deserve respect because they're 'different views'?
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How about you stop telling people what to post? From what I've seen on these sort of threads all you offer is nonsense telling people not to post what you deem to be unacceptable. You seem far more interested in policing threads then actually contributing and if that's all you have to say could you not just ... piss off?
there is enough in your post for an infraction.
if you cant stay on topic without getting personal whats the point in you posting in this thread
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I don't think it's really fair to call people selfish because I don't think anyone but the person themselves can comprehend the mindset of a suicidal person and how they must feel to consider taking their own life to be the only possible solution to their problems

Also give it a rest Redway with going on about how stupid or idiotic people are because they disagree with you, if people can't debate it in a reasonable way then yes the thread will be closed
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There is no right or wrong answer to this question. It's one subject which is very personal and I for one wouldn't get into an argument as to whether it is selfish or an easy way out.

I think to some, suicide does seem the easy way out, to others it is the only way out.
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Does that sort of attitude extend to racism and sexism? Do these also deserve respect because they're 'different views'?
That's a completely different argument. Racism and sexism is basically bullying. Nothing to do with the act of suicide.

You can't just call someone stupid because they disagree with you. It's not really a debate that is it?
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There is no right or wrong answer to this question. It's one subject which is very personal and I for one wouldn't get into an argument as to whether it is selfish or an easy way out.

I think to some, suicide does seem the easy way out, to others it is the only way out.
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if he got to the point of committing suicide, he did.
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If someone was really that depressed then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to take their life if that will end the suffering...if they're genuinely suicidal then they're clearly in a very fragile state of mind and I don't think you can call someone selfish for being that depressed.
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If someone was really that depressed then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to take their life if that will end the suffering...if they're genuinely suicidal then they're clearly in a very fragile state of mind and I don't think you can call someone selfish for being that depressed.
I agree. It's all so sad.
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who are you to say that someones opinion about this is wrong? :/

Anyway, i see it from both sides really. I think in some ways it's selfish, but I feel like a lot of the time it can't be helped.
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It's not an easy way out. I think it's very tragic painful and hard.
However in the case of some of our most notorious killers who have done it or tried it I think it's easier than living with what they've done.
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...I've never felt like I wanted to end my life, so it's hard to imagine how much pain someone who does feels. I do know what it's like to suffer from depression though...and you lose all of your abilities and skills to cope...with anything..or anyone..just getting yourself through a day drains you. This means that you are unable to consider anyone else around you, their feelings or how it's affecting them..it's impossible to do. It's hard for people to understand that, because their mind is calm and rational...whereas yours is not. It may be that suicide is selfish, but I would doubt that person is capable of any thought other than to put an end to their pain. They also probably think that everyone around them would live a happier life without them.....

...people aren't always in control of their emotional pain and if a pain is intense, it's a natural reaction to want it to stop...that's not selfish..there is no rational or logical thought that would make it selfish....
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...I've never felt like I wanted to end my life, so it's hard to imagine how much pain someone who does feels. I do know what it's like to suffer from depression though...and you lose all of your abilities and skills to cope...with anything..or anyone..just getting yourself through a day drains you. This means that you are unable to consider anyone else around you, their feelings or how it's affecting them..it's impossible to do. It's hard for people to understand that, because their mind is calm and rational...whereas yours is not. It may be that suicide is selfish, but I would doubt that person is capable of any thought other than to put an end to their pain. They also probably think that everyone around them would live a happier life without them.....

...people can't always in control of their emotional pain and if a pain is intense, it's a natural reaction to want it to stop...that's not selfish..there is no rational or logical thought that would make it selfish....
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It actually is selfish, I've read something on facebook that made me change my mind
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I'll spoiler it but here is what I was talking about
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Wanna kill yourself? Imagine this. You come home from school one day. You've had yet another horrible day. You’re just ready to give up. So you go to your room, close the door, and take out that suicide note you've written and rewritten over and over and over. You take out those razor blades, and cut for the very last time. You grab that bottle of pills and take them all. Laying down, holding the letter to your chest, you close your eyes for the very last time. A few hours later, your little brother knocks on your door to come tell you dinners ready. You don’t answer, so he walks in. All he sees is you laying on your bed, so he thinks you’re asleep. He tells your mom this. Your mom goes to your room to wake you up. She notices something is odd. She grabs the paper in your hand and reads it. Sobbing, she tries to wake you up. She’s screaming your name. Your brother, so confused, runs to go tell Dad that “Mommy is crying and sissy won’t wake up.” Your dad runs to your room. He looks at your mom, crying, holding the letter to her chest, sitting next to your lifeless body. It hits him, what’s going on, and he screams. He screams and throws something at the wall. And then, falling to his knees, he starts to cry. Your mom crawls over to him, and they sit there, holding each other, crying. The next day at school, there’s an announcement. The principal tells everyone about your suicide. It takes a few seconds for it to sink in, and once it does, everyone goes silent. Everyone blames themselves. Your teachers think they were too hard on you. Those mean popular girls, they think of all the things they've said to you. That boy that used to tease you and call you names, he can’t help but hate himself for never telling you how beautiful you really are. Your ex boyfriend, the one that you told everything to, that broke up with you.. He can’t handle it. He breaks down and starts crying, and runs out of the school. Your friends? They’re sobbing too, wondering how they could never see that anything was wrong, wishing they could have helped you before it was too late. And your best friend? She’s in shock. She can’t believe it. She knew what you were going through, but she never thought it would get that bad… Bad enough for you to end it. She can’t cry, she can’t feel anything. She stands up, walks out of the classroom, and just sinks to the floor. Shaking, screaming, but no tears coming out. It’s a few days later, at your funeral. The whole town came. Everyone knew you, that girl with the bright smile and bubbly personality. The one that was always there for them, the shoulder to cry on. Lots of people talk about all the good memories they had with you, there were a lot. Everyone’s crying, your little brother still doesn't know you killed yourself, he’s too young. Your parents just said you died. It hurts him, a lot. You were his big sister, you were supposed to always be there for him. Your best friend, she stays strong through the entire service, but as soon as they start lowering your casket into the ground, she just loses it. She cries and cries and doesn't stop for days. It’s two years later. The whole school talks to a counselor/therapist at least once a week. Your teachers all quit their job. Those mean girls have eating disorders now. That boy that used to tease you cuts himself. Your ex boyfriend doesn't know how to love anymore and just sleeps around with girls. Your friends all go into depression. Your best friend? She tried to kill herself. She didn’t succeed like you did, but she tried… your brother? He finally found out the truth about your death. He self harms, he cries at night, he does exactly what you did for years leading up to your suicide. Your parents? Their marriage fell apart. Your dad became a workaholic to distract himself from your death. Your mum got diagnosed with depression and just lays in bed all day. People care. You may not think so, but they do. Your choices don’t just affect you. They affect everyone.
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Wanna kill yourself? Imagine this. You come home from school one day. You've had yet another horrible day. You’re just ready to give up. So you go to your room, close the door, and take out that suicide note you've written and rewritten over and over and over. You take out those razor blades, and cut for the very last time. You grab that bottle of pills and take them all. Laying down, holding the letter to your chest, you close your eyes for the very last time. A few hours later, your little brother knocks on your door to come tell you dinners ready. You don’t answer, so he walks in. All he sees is you laying on your bed, so he thinks you’re asleep. He tells your mom this. Your mom goes to your room to wake you up. She notices something is odd. She grabs the paper in your hand and reads it. Sobbing, she tries to wake you up. She’s screaming your name. Your brother, so confused, runs to go tell Dad that “Mommy is crying and sissy won’t wake up.” Your dad runs to your room. He looks at your mom, crying, holding the letter to her chest, sitting next to your lifeless body. It hits him, what’s going on, and he screams. He screams and throws something at the wall. And then, falling to his knees, he starts to cry. Your mom crawls over to him, and they sit there, holding each other, crying. The next day at school, there’s an announcement. The principal tells everyone about your suicide. It takes a few seconds for it to sink in, and once it does, everyone goes silent. Everyone blames themselves. Your teachers think they were too hard on you. Those mean popular girls, they think of all the things they've said to you. That boy that used to tease you and call you names, he can’t help but hate himself for never telling you how beautiful you really are. Your ex boyfriend, the one that you told everything to, that broke up with you.. He can’t handle it. He breaks down and starts crying, and runs out of the school. Your friends? They’re sobbing too, wondering how they could never see that anything was wrong, wishing they could have helped you before it was too late. And your best friend? She’s in shock. She can’t believe it. She knew what you were going through, but she never thought it would get that bad… Bad enough for you to end it. She can’t cry, she can’t feel anything. She stands up, walks out of the classroom, and just sinks to the floor. Shaking, screaming, but no tears coming out. It’s a few days later, at your funeral. The whole town came. Everyone knew you, that girl with the bright smile and bubbly personality. The one that was always there for them, the shoulder to cry on. Lots of people talk about all the good memories they had with you, there were a lot. Everyone’s crying, your little brother still doesn't know you killed yourself, he’s too young. Your parents just said you died. It hurts him, a lot. You were his big sister, you were supposed to always be there for him. Your best friend, she stays strong through the entire service, but as soon as they start lowering your casket into the ground, she just loses it. She cries and cries and doesn't stop for days. It’s two years later. The whole school talks to a counselor/therapist at least once a week. Your teachers all quit their job. Those mean girls have eating disorders now. That boy that used to tease you cuts himself. Your ex boyfriend doesn't know how to love anymore and just sleeps around with girls. Your friends all go into depression. Your best friend? She tried to kill herself. She didn’t succeed like you did, but she tried… your brother? He finally found out the truth about your death. He self harms, he cries at night, he does exactly what you did for years leading up to your suicide. Your parents? Their marriage fell apart. Your dad became a workaholic to distract himself from your death. Your mum got diagnosed with depression and just lays in bed all day. People care. You may not think so, but they do. Your choices don’t just affect you. They affect everyone.

Sums up my view on suicide perfectly
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Anyway, i see it from both sides really. I think in some ways it's selfish, but I feel like a lot of the time it can't be helped.
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...I've never felt like I wanted to end my life, so it's hard to imagine how much pain someone who does feels. I do know what it's like to suffer from depression though...and you lose all of your abilities and skills to cope...with anything..or anyone..just getting yourself through a day drains you. This means that you are unable to consider anyone else around you, their feelings or how it's affecting them..it's impossible to do. It's hard for people to understand that, because their mind is calm and rational...whereas yours is not. It may be that suicide is selfish, but I would doubt that person is capable of any thought other than to put an end to their pain. They also probably think that everyone around them would live a happier life without them.....

...people aren't always in control of their emotional pain and if a pain is intense, it's a natural reaction to want it to stop...that's not selfish..there is no rational or logical thought that would make it selfish....
Exhibit A) Excellently executed post summing up from experience the pain and solitude of depression and touching on the emotional turmoil that people go through which distances them from the people they love and who love them.

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