[Verbal]

Originally Posted by DanaC

No, that's really not what I meant, CH.



The tradition of infantilised female sexuality is a very long one. In Christian cultures we have a strange dichotomy of respect for motherhood and disdain for female sexuality: Mary is both a mother (good) and a virgin (good). She is innocence and motherhood combined.

No problem, Dana. I completely respect your viewpoints and the way you are able to put them across, which is a rarity on here. Thank you for clarifying.

[Roy Mars III]

I find Charlotte's personality and manners disgusting, but I would think the same if she was a man. There is no need to talk like that in a civilized society. I do not even want to hear the word pee mentioned ever. Her manners are appalling, and I am almost sick even thinking about them.

Courtney is immature, but I can totally understand her. She grew up in a small town Christian American town and was homeschooled part of her life. She grew up differently than anyone else in there. She has never really grew up or had a chance too. She got married at 16, she never had a chance to fend for herself

[DanaC]

Her parents were not especially wealthy. But she didn't meet and marry this man because she was moving in those circles.

She was an aspiring actress who, as a young teenager, signed up for an online acting class taught by her current husband. He, at the time, was not aware of her age. They began a correspondence and fell in love during that correspondence. On finding out her age, he contacted her mother and apologised, and said he would back away, having had no idea how young she was when they were corresponding. Her parents instead decided to allow the courtship to progress.

The two of them sought couples counselling through a reality TV therapy show. What the counsellor had to say about them is interesting. From wiki:

The couple appeared as cast members in the second season of the VH1 reality television series Couples Therapy, which premiered in October 2012. The series features publicly known couples receive therapy for relationship problems. According to Stodden, the couple enrolled in therapy in order to resolve issues that arose in their marriage from their age difference.[11] Despite the criticism leveled at the couple, and her own reservations about the dynamic of their relationship,[17] Dr. Jenn Berman, the Marriage, Family, and Child Therapist who worked with the couple during their appearance on the show, stressed that she does not believe that Hutchison is, or was, seeking out young people, saying, "He's not a predator. He's not someone, who if Courtney left him, would be trolling the Internet or high schools for underage girls. That's not his m.o. This is not a guy who was seeking out teenagers. He was teaching a class, she wanted to be an actress, it was an acting class… And that’s how it started." Though Berman was eventually surprised by the dynamic between the two, she commented on her initial hesitations about working with the couple, saying, "I believe it was the wrong decision to let a 16-year-old marry a man in his 50s. It’s uncomfortable to see… [at first] I said to my producer, ‘I think this guy is a pedophile…I don’t know if I can work with these people.’ I don’t condone it, but I do see that this is a married couple that is genuinely married and they have marital issues that needed to be worked on. I came in saying, 'She’s a victim, he’s a predator.' What I found out was that she has a lot more power in this relationship and he is far more powerless than I expected. His family has completely disowned him… He unfortunately has nothing besides her." Hutchison was also defended by Stodden's mother, Krista Keller, who praised Hutchison for the kindness with which he treats Stodden.[7]

Incidentally, the reason she was homeschooled during the latter part of her schooling was because she was bullied at school for her looks. Which may go some way to explaining why she feels the need to change her body.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Her parents were not especially wealthy. But she didn't meet and marry this man because she was moving in those circles.

She was an aspiring actress who, as a young teenager, signed up for an online acting class taught by her current husband. He, at the time, was not aware of her age. They began a correspondence and fell in love during that correspondence. On finding out her age, he contacted her mother and apologised, and said he would back away, having had no idea how young she was when they were corresponding. Her parents instead decided to allow the courtship to progress.

The two of them sought couples counselling through a reality TV therapy show. What the counsellor had to say about them is interesting. From wiki:





Incidentally, the reason she was homeschooled during the latter part of her schooling was because she was bullied at school for her looks. Which may go some way to explaining why she feels the need to change her body.

The above may or may not be true - but still comes down to one person's opinion on whether he was a predator, not on her motves for marrying him.

He had no idea of how young she was - who is he trying to kid. Even if she didn't look 16, it would have been obvious to anyone she was certainly way too young for him.

Did she pursue her acting career - or simply marry the millionaire acting teacher? Are people trying to suggest she had no idea of his wealth so therefore it could not have been a factor in her decision? You make it sound like some kind of Romeo and Juliet, but that seems extremely unlikely.

Yes, she is clearly insecure - that is obvious by the 'work' she has had done, but we are not talking about some kind of corrective surgery, she has gone for the oh so predictable bleached blonde, hugh boobs look. That speaks more than insecure, that speaks attention-seeking and looking for male attention of the wealthy kind.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

The above may or may not be true - but still comes down to one person's opinion on whether he was a predator, not on her motves for marrying him.

He had no idea of how young she was - who is he trying to kid. Even if she didn't look 16, it would have been obvious to anyone she was certainly way too young for him.

Did she pursue her acting career - or simply marry the millionaire acting teacher? Are people trying to suggest she had no idea of his wealth so therefore it could not have been a factor in her decision? You make it sound like some kind of Romeo and Juliet, but that seems extremely unlikely.

Yes, she is clearly insecure - that is obvious by the 'work' she has had done, but we are not talking about some kind of corrective surgery, she has gone for the oh so predictable bleached blonde, hugh boobs look. That speaks more than insecure, that speaks attention-seeking and looking for male attention of the wealthy kind.

I feel like I am no longer worthy of my username and you should take it, or at least the first part of it.

There is literally a thread on here right now with people expressing their disbelief at her age. She does not look 18 to me, infact if I didnt know I would comfortably add 10 years to her. So, at 16 she could have easily passed for 25 at least.

Your talking like this is an odd thing, there are dozens of examples of older men marrying younger women and the other way around, and being perfectly happy.

This is the kind of thing that annoys me about this forum, people just look at everything hoping to find something to be offended about. God sake.

I just want to make a general comment. This is a forum, and people have the right to express their opinions however they feel mirrors their actual feelings on any topic.

If I disagree with someone, I'll raise it in their post, and show why I think they are wrong, and where their errors are. I'm not always right, and I've admitted being wrong in the past (I think I was wrong once in 2011), and I've acknowledged that the other persons information is correct.

People don't get to decide what offends others on here.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

The above may or may not be true - but still comes down to one person's opinion on whether he was a predator, not on her motves for marrying him.

He had no idea of how young she was - who is he trying to kid. Even if she didn't look 16, it would have been obvious to anyone she was certainly way too young for him.

Did she pursue her acting career - or simply marry the millionaire acting teacher? Are people trying to suggest she had no idea of his wealth so therefore it could not have been a factor in her decision? You make it sound like some kind of Romeo and Juliet, but that seems extremely unlikely.

Yes, she is clearly insecure - that is obvious by the 'work' she has had done, but we are not talking about some kind of corrective surgery, she has gone for the oh so predictable bleached blonde, hugh boobs look. That speaks more than insecure, that speaks attention-seeking and looking for male attention of the wealthy kind.

Her husband is a creeper. I don't care how they met or what age he thought she was. Courtney herself though, I'm not comfortable judging so harshly. She's very young, clearly immature and getting married that age, even w/o that ridiculous age difference, is not exactly ideal for personal growth. I don't think she has any idea who she is, because she's had no chance of finding out.

As for the attention seeking, many young girls going about it in the way that she does, have a warped idea of love/intimacy/validation. That does not automatically translate into being greedy for money and/or a bad person.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

Her husband is a creeper. I don't care how they met or what age he thought she was. Courtney herself though, I'm not comfortable judging so harshly. She's very young, clearly immature and getting married that age, even w/o that ridiculous age difference, is not exactly ideal for personal growth. I don't think she has any idea who she is, because she's had no chance of finding out.

As for the attention seeking, many young girls going about it in the way that she does, have a warped idea of love/intimacy/validation. That does not automatically translate into being greedy for money and/or a bad person.

I'm not saying I think she is a bad person, but I responded to the drivel about how sweet and innocent she was, as I do not agree with that at all.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

I'm not saying I think she is a bad person, but I responded to the drivel about how sweet and innocent she was, as I do not agree with that at all.

I'm not agreeing with the OP, mind. But I don't see why she can't be sweet? I think so far, she and Charlotte both seem to be, in their own ways. Alas, early days. Innocent, that depends on how you define it. Exactly whom over the age of 8 is innocent, really? I see what you're getting at, but I'm not too fond of the rhetoric, I guess.

[Josy]

Ah Dana we posted at the same time...

[Daffodil]

Charlotte: Does not represent the youth of this country. She represents a specific type of youth who have been allowed to grow up with either no parental control or bad parents who encourage the foul language because it is funny. No dignity.

Courtney: Represents all that is bad about American culture. Young girls smothering themselves in make-up. Boob jobs for heaven's sake! And that is before having children. How the hell will they feed the baby? Oh sorry... breast isn't best over there. Her shoes are designed to stop her running from her leering understained husband. Her hair appears to be extensions. Her voice in many interviews on Youtube appears to be badly affected by drugs and the need to pout and breathe with every word. She is constantly playing with her oversized and overweight breasts. It makes me want to scream. And the sad thing is youngsters will try and be like her. (Find yourself a lonely, leering and understained actor first). No dignity.

Final Thought: I am assuming that her disgusting 'husband' is behind the decision to have her already quite sizeable breasts enlarged. I wish someone would take her in hand, remove the boobs, remove the extensions and the eyelashes, throw the shoes on a fire and hide the dye bottle. Then hand the girl a pair of jeans, some trainers and a tee shirt. I guarantee she will wonder why it took her so long to find out!

[Northern Monkey]

So what if Courtney got her boobs done?They're HERS to do as SHE chooses.So what if she fell in love with an older man?It's HER decision to marry who she chooses.So what if she has bleached blonde hair?That's HER choice and it looks nice on her.So much female jealousy in here.She seems a lovely lass and she's done nothing wrong or nasty as of yet.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

So what if Courtney got her boobs done?They're HERS to do as SHE chooses.So what if she fell in love with an older man?It's HER decision to marry who she chooses.So what if she has bleached blonde hair?That's HER choice and it looks nice on her.So much female jealousy in here.She seems a lovely lass and she's done nothing wrong or nasty as of yet.

She may have had a 'boob job' because she was suffering confidence issues. It strikes me as female jealousy to be honest, all this.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

She may have had a 'boob job' because she was suffering confidence issues. It strikes me as female jealousy to be honest, all this.

Sorry, but it is pathetic how some blokes will pull the old jealousy card out when running out of valid arguments. I was a fan of Hazel and said how jealous I was of her natural beauty, and I meant it. So that kinda of throws that nonsense out the window then.

Alternatively it could be said that some men think with a certain part of their anatomy and like Courtney for the more obvious reasons, colouring their judgement. Just a thought.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Sorry, but it is pathetic how some blokes will pull the old jealousy card out when running out of valid arguments. I was a fan of Hazel and said how jealous I was of her natural beauty, and I meant it. So that kinda of throws that nonsense out the window then.

Alternatively it could be said that some men think with a certain part of their anatomy and like Courtney for the more obvious reasons, colouring their judgement. Just a thought.

Ok, you are becoming tedious now and starting to border on offensive. I am Asexual, I can assure you my opinions on the girl have absolutely nothing to do with her sexual presence.

I'm out

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Ok, you are becoming tedious now and starting to border on offensive. I am Asexual, I can assure you my opinions on the girl have absolutely nothing to do with her sexual presence.

I'm out

Fair enough, I meant no offence - but there is no denying is has had that effect on the judgement of some on here.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

She may have had a 'boob job' because she was suffering confidence issues. It strikes me as female jealousy to be honest, all this.

That bit is a cop out. A way of utterly dismissing any cultural concern a woman might feel over the plastification of womanhood.

That said, I agree with the rest of your point.

The reason I posted that wiki stuff was because it is important to have balance in these things. We can all question the age gap and the motives of these two people but since none of us know either of them we cannot reach conclusions.

In many, possibly most, unions between an exceptionally young woman and a much older man there may be an element of conscious or unconscious exploitation. But that doesn't mean always and in every case.

Most of what I talk about in here relates to cultural and societal norms and trends. But we as individual humans relate to each other in a multiplicity of ways. Our decisions are multi-layered, sometimes entirely contradictory. We are capable of being many things at once and seeing the world in many ways at once. trying to pin individuals down within a cultural context is useful at one level, but at another level it also removes the human from that equation.

As a woman I find much of what I see in Courtney troubling. And the idea of a 16 year old girl marrying a 51 year old man worrying for a number of reasons. But let's not fall into total assumption here about who these two people are. Otherwise we risk robbing this girl of her agency in our own minds.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by DanaC

That bit is a cop out. A way of utterly dismissing any cultural concern a woman might feel over the plastification of womanhood.

That said, I agree with the rest of your point.

The reason I posted that wiki stuff was because it is important to have balance in these things. We can all question the age gap and the motives of these two people but since none of us know either of them we cannot reach conclusions.

In many, possibly most, unions between an exceptionally young women and a much older man there may be an element of conscious or unconscious exploitation. But that doesn't mean always and in every case.

Most of what I talk about in here relates to cultural and societal norms and trends. But we as individual humans relate to each other in a multiplicity of ways. Our decisions are multi-layered, sometimes entirely contradictory. We are capable of being many things at once and seeing the world in many ways at once. trying to pin individuals down within a cultural context is useful at one level, but at another level it also removes the human from that equation.

As a woman I find much of what I see in Courtney troubling. And the idea of a 16 year old girl marrying a 51 year old man worrying for a number of reasons. But let's not fall into total assumption here about who these two people are. Otherwise we risk robbing this girl of her agency in our own minds.

That part you highlighted Dana, was a cheap, intentional, poorly thought out swipe, purely to get a reaction. I don't actually believe that.

[DanaC]

Fair enough CH :0

It's one of my bugbears. It seems to get rolled out anytime any woman has a problem with another woman.

[Jack_]

Isn't it funny how sexual promiscuity is celebrated if it's a man but if it's a female they're a 'vile slut'? That's sexism for you pathetic prudish sexism

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Isn't it funny how sexual promiscuity is celebrated if it's a man but if it's a female they're a 'vile slut'? That's sexism for you pathetic prudish sexism

Pretty much.

I'll never understand why getting your rocks off is different from taking care of other needs like blowing your nose, taking a ****, sleeping or eating.