[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by jonny123

Carol set up Lauren cos she loves sirring it.
It wouldn't be so bad but pick on someone like Lauren was disturbing to watch.
She's evil and she knows it.....maybe that's why she drinks herself into a coma

I agree whole heartedly.
I thought Lauren and Pete Burns were friends,why haven't BBBOTS had Pete on this series.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Blue Cadillac

Shoot me down in flames for saying it, but no matter how much she changes her body to that of a woman, genetically speaking, she is male. You cannot change a person's genes. Sure, she can alter her appearance, undergo a sex change, and even take male hormones, but her cells were born male, and will continue to be male. It's her genetic make-up right from conception. I think that's partly why she looks older than she is, because her face is trying to be that of a woman's, when quite frankly, it's not masking the masculine features. That coupled with the fact that she wears clothes much older than her age.

I'm sure this won't go down well with the Lauren-ites, but what I've stated isn't intended on being rude or derogatory to her in the slightest - it's just stating pure fact.

I'd believe that if you hadn't already insisted on calling her Laurence.

And btw no, saying she is straight does not mean she sleeps with women. That would be straight if she was a man. She is a woman, and therefore being straight means she sleeps with men.

@ cfromhx02: she looks creepy because of her choice of clothes and makeup and the fact that she appears to be only vaguely present most of the time. Nothing to do with her being transgender. Someone being transgender doesn't mean they are completely deluded about the way they look to the world.


I've seen loads of pics of Lauren online where she did not look creepy. For some reason she's now decided to go for the Great Aunt Agatha / Whatever Happened to Baby Jane look. And that does look creepy, imo. The scoliosis is unfortunate, but wouldn't make her look like some bizarre octogenarian if it wasn't accompanied by GAA clothes and WHtBJ makeup.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

People are very cruel to her family in Cardiff.

I can remember in the summer I was working there she was coming out on the scene which was odd coz she never leaves her home.

A group of men attacked her, her father and her brother in her own home.

Shes also had her windows smashed in.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I'd believe that if you hadn't already insisted on calling her Laurence.

And btw no, saying she is straight does not mean she sleeps with women. That would be straight if she was a man. She is a woman, and therefore being straight means she sleeps with women.

@ cfromhx02: she looks creepy because of her choice of clothes and makeup and the fact that she appears to be only vaguely present most of the time. Nothing to do with her being transgender. Someone being transgender doesn't mean they are completely deluded about the way they look to the world.


I've seen loads of pics of Lauren online where she did not look creepy. For some reason she's now decided to go for the Great Aunt Agatha / Whatever Happened to Baby Jane look. And that does look creepy, imo. The scoliosis is unfortunate, but wouldn't make her look like some bizarre octogenarian if it wasn't accompanied by GAA clothes and WHtBJ makeup.

That's what I said!

I'm straight, and I'm a guy. I sleep with women. I wouldn't sleep with Lauren. So... all you are doing is messing your head up with false information.

[DanaC]

I was referring to this:

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

You mean that Lauren sleeps with women? Mind you I did notice that when Mario was wearing that skimpy top Lauren looked away.

Which was in response to cfromhx02 saying she is straight.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I was referring to this:




Which was in response to cfromhx02 saying she is straight.

Yeah, but I'm not sure which straight cfromhx02 means. You said that Lauren sleeps with women, and that's what I said as well. On TV Lauren said that she tried the Gay clubs, and didn't like it.

[DanaC]

Aheh. Sorry. Typo in above post :P Posting from my ****ing iphone..


Have now edited it.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

People are very cruel to her family in Cardiff.

I can remember in the summer I was working there she was coming out on the scene which was odd coz she never leaves her home.

A group of men attacked her, her father and her brother in her own home.

Shes also had her windows smashed in.

Poor Lauren

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Aheh. Sorry. Typo in above post :P Posting from my ****ing iphone..


Have now edited it.

It doesn't make any difference anyway. Lauren is Transgender, it is impossible for her to be straight, because she doesn't have a gender.

[DanaC]

Of course she has a gender.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Of course she has a gender.

No she doesn't. Transgender is her gender.

[DanaC]

Transgender female. Her gender is female.

[CaudleHalbard]

As I understand it Lauren is a 'transwoman'.

By law she is female and it is unlawful to treat her as a male - her former gender although, chromosome-wise, she will always be male: the surgery she has had, and the oestrogen tablets (or injections) she takes cannot change the genetic makeup.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Transgender female. Her gender is female.

Her gender is not female, I was told in this thread that her gender was transgender. I was told to use it to be politically correct.

[DanaC]

Really? I hadn't seen that. I just know that the transwomen I have spoken to referred to their gender as female.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Really? I hadn't seen that. I just know that the transwomen I have spoken to referred to their gender as female.

It doesn't matter what they want to be referred to. I want to be called a stud.. who cares?

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Her gender is not female, I was told in this thread that her gender was transgender. I was told to use it to be politically correct.

By law Lauren is a female.

There is no argument about that aspect. You can call her every name under the sun, if you wish, but even her birth certificate will have been amended to show she is female.

There is no such gender as transgender.... only male or female.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

It doesn't matter what they want to be referred to. I want to be called a stud.. who cares?

They care. And 'stud' is not an equivalent term.

What I don't understand, is why it matters so much to other people, what gender they are designated. What possible harm does it do to non transgender people to just accept them as their designated gender?

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

By law Lauren is a female.

There is no argument about that aspect. You can call her every name under the sun, if you wish, but even her birth certificate will have been amended to show she is female.

There is no such gender as transgender.... only male or female.

I cannot store a lie in my head. It would be to force mental health to force people to store lies in their head. That would be government forced brainwashing. Not healthy.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by DanaC

They care. And 'stud' is not an equivalent term.

What I don't understand, is why it matters so much to other people, what gender they are designated. What possible harm does it do to non transgender people to just accept them as their designated gender?

Because you are putting lies in your head. That can screw up your brain.

[DanaC]

Depends how you use the word gender, really.

Usage Note: Traditionally, gender has been used primarily to refer to the grammatical categories of "masculine," "feminine," and "neuter," but in recent years the word has become well established in its use to refer to sex-based categories, as in phrases such as gender gap and the politics of gender. This usage is supported by the practice of many anthropologists, who reserve sex for reference to biological categories, while using gender to refer to social or cultural categories. According to this rule, one would say The effectiveness of the medication appears to depend on the sex (not gender) of the patient, but In peasant societies, gender (not sex) roles are likely to be more clearly defined. This distinction is useful in principle, but it is by no means widely observed, and considerable variation in usage occurs at all levels.

[Suze]

I don't have to watch this BB to see that Lauren knows how to play the game and play the sympathy card to the hilt and fair dos to her for doing so. Lauren I am sure will win, she will have enough Welsh and sympathy votes behind her as well as her fan votes, enough to see her through to win, and won't go with positive voting even if she is up every time. I am over BB after the last fiasco. BB nearly always engineer the result they want. It went wrong with Aaron for them and they were seething at that.

If I remember right, Lauren was a regular on the BB aftershows, and was particularly over the top nasty to winner Aaron. Lauren knows exactly what she is doing whilst in that house, and it wouldn't surprise me if she is the next co presenter of BOTs alongside Rylan, who also had the 'he needs to stay in there, he needs the win, it will help him' angle, rubbish shoved sharply down our throats, same as Lauren is now.

Maybe Lauren's family are awful to her, but no excuse for her to behave just as bad at times.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I cannot store a lie in my head. It would be to force mental health to force people to store lies in their head. That would be government forced brainwashing. Not healthy.

Well that's just too bad! The law is clear.

It is strictly your problem and you have to come to terms with it. Most people do not have a problem with it, I would contend.

[DanaC]

Also: if you don't want to put lies in your head, you'd better go through life never using language. Meanings change. Many of the words now considered scientific absolutes were once much less clearly defined (race, gender, natural, sane, insane etc).

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Well that's just too bad! The law is clear.

It is strictly your problem and you have to come to terms with it. Most people do not have a problem with it, I would contend.

But I do, because I want a perfect brain. I work in science so I need a perfect brain to be scientific, and accurate. I work on theories of how the Universe began, I work on Quantum Physics, I cannot store lies in my head.