[arista]

The mother of Killer Michael Adebolajo
has said she is sorry.
Her son should not have done that

Speaking on ITV1London News

[fingers]

Originally Posted by arista

The mother of Killer Michael Adebolajo
has said she is sorry.
Her son should not have done that

Speaking on ITV1London News

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

I'd be happy to chip in for a ticket to send the *******er out there. One way.

[arista]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

Yes on Ch5HD News
yesterday his brother claims he did nothing wrong.

He spoke also of Drones (on SkyNewsHD)
but thats USA - not us

[Nemo123]

As I sat here it dawned on me the enormous hypocrisy about the murder of Lee Rigby. I wasn't comfortable yesterday, now today my thoughts are clearer. Some muslims killed him brutally for being a British soldier. But what do people, soldiers with X-Box controllers do, sending drones over to far-flung parts of the world to kill "Al-Qaeda"? Hm!? They arbitrarily decide from high up in the sky to execute someone on the ground, killing men, women and children. That's OK is it, but a couple of muslims savagely murdering a soldier in London isn't?

I mean people have called his murder brutal and cowardly, but what's sitting with an x-box in another part of the world reigning down death? Hm? Brutal and cowardly.

And think, just like in Lee Rigby's case, these drone attacks are not combat situations. They reign down extra-judicial execution on peaceful homes, fields and villages. Not battlefields.

If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality.

[arista]

"If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality."



No USA Evil Drone Attacks are
wrong killing family's near it ,
all the time.


Killing Lee Rigby in London was wrong
as he was not working at a Waz Zone.


The Preacher that guided those killers
ran off to Libya right after the Murder
He must be killed by a Bullet.
As Every Day he goes on the Web
getting more and more Young British
Muslims to do the same.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by arista

"If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality."



No USA Evil Drone Attacks are
wrong killing family's near it ,
all the time.


Killing Lee Rigby in London was wrong
as he was not working at a Waz Zone.


The Preacher that guided those killers
ran off to Libya right after the Murder
He must be killed by a Bullet.
As Every Day he goes on the Web
getting more and more Young British
Muslims to do the same.

I think the UK are using drones as well.

[AnnieK]

The family of lee will never have closure....I don't know them but I will guarantee nothing will ever take away how he died for them....nothing. I don't need to know them to know that. An act of retribution may make them feel something but it won't be closure, lee will still have faced that atrocity....

[Kizzy]

It was the shock factor associated, that shook the UK it wasn't personal though it was symbolic.
Not that that has been addressed,or that our govt who trawl inner city high schools signing 16yr olds to the army, then send them afghanistan to die at the first opportunity will care.

[Livia]

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

..just a by the by with that Liv..one of my son's friends always wanted to be in the army, that was always his dream which he was totally focused on...anyway, he's a very clever/gifted and academic young man and he did go off/do his training etc...but they wanted him as an officer and that wasn't what he wanted at all, he wanted active duty...so he left because being an officer wasn't what he'd wanted at all...

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Livia

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

It is hardly a bad thing that it is difficult for the Army to get into schools to influence vulnerable young minds. Yes those that get into the forces do need to prove their academic abilities, we don't want a bunch of idiots who can barely construct a sentence protecting our country - but only adults should be expected to make the decision to pursue a career that could cost them their lives.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

It is hardly a bad thing that it is difficult for the Army to get into schools to influence vulnerable young minds. Yes those that get into the forces do need to prove their academic abilities, we don't want a bunch of idiots who can barely construct a sentence protecting our country - but only adults should be expected to make the decision to pursue a career that could cost them their lives.

You talk about influencing young minds like the army go in with a press gang.

So on one hand we're saying that 16 year olds aren't responsible enough to make a career decision to join that army... and on the other hand there are discussions going on to give them the vote?

You can't join up to the army until you're 18 years old and legally considered an adult. You can join at 16 as an apprentice only. But hey, let's not let the army into schools and let the kids have all the facts, or anything. Let's leave that to the teachers so they can give them a really one-sided view of things.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

'left wing militants' is that the name given to those who disagree with signing 16yr olds to the army?... Quite a lot of those across europe then seeing as we are the only country to do this.
I know plenty about the modern British army thanks.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Snow Angel

'left wing militants' is that the name given to those who disagree with signing 16yr olds to the army?... Quite a lot of those across europe then seeing as we are the only country to do this.
I know plenty about the modern British army thanks.

It would be worrying if all our teachers were actually left wing or right wing militants. I like to think most are neither.

[Z]

The thing that worries me about men like this pair is that they don't see what they did as being wrong. They believe that what they did was in aid of a cause; they do not see themselves as murderers or as having committed a crime because they believe at their very core that they're just foot soldiers getting revenge for the atrocities committed against [someone/something the British army has allegedly wronged]. How is the judiciary supposed to deal with something like that? I honestly think deporting them and banning them from re-entry into the UK would be more helpful than locking them up and then letting them back out into our society again. Hopefully they'll be sentenced and then deported once they've served it so they've no opportunity to re-offend. They've been truly indoctrinated and I think they'll poison other minds if they're given the opportunity to in prison or elsewhere.

[Nemo123]

What I've observed over the last 10 years or so was there was a massive anti-war feeling, huge anti-war marches with hundreds of thousands taking to the street to protest the impending Iraq invasion. Not alone in Britain, (btw, I briefly joined one in Leeds when I was over for a home game against Middlesbrough), but huge marches in Ireland I joined, and across Europe.
Then it was like a switch had been pressed. When it all started the Murdoch media, in particular, turned the aggression into a patriotic jolly. Support our troops and all that nonsense. Stupid nationalism took hold of the sheeple. The huge numbers who read the Sun and watch Sky News, and the BBC was brow-beaten to the extent Greg Dyke was forced to resign over the sexed-up dossier, and for not singing from the same sing sheet. The BBC has never been the same since. It's an establishment lacky under threat of having its liveblood, money, cut off by the govt, and Sky given a clear field. Rupert Murdoch who wins elections in Britain.
And so, critical resistance to wars of imperialism gave way to jingoistic patriotism and flag waving, and the general public haven't a clue what it's all about.

Youtube video

Watch from 4 minutes.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Youtube video

Watch from 4 minutes.

Very good. The people of Britain were overwhelmingly anti the Iraq invasion. But since it happened, it's been twisted by the Murdoch media. I watched Sky hawkishly at that time. I observed their almost psychopathic coverage. They were telling us the wing spans of B52's as they took off from Brize Norton. They deliberately avoided questioning the morality of the crime that was being perpetrated. At least the BBC gave it a go, and suffered badly. It had its balls cut off.

And since then the jingoistic flag waving mindlessness has been in control.

[Nemo123]

I'm an anglophile. I love contemporary English culture, with the best of them.