[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I doubt Lionel has come across such a sewer mouthed slapper before ,hes in his 80s ,hes not going to accept that and why should he?

Is any woman whos vaguely sexual a 'slapper' to you?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Is any woman whos vaguely sexual a 'slapper' to you?

"VAGUELY?" did you watch the show ?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Is any woman whos vaguely sexual a 'slapper' to you?

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?

All down to upbringing ,like you Ive worked in pubs and I have seen real drunks, she wasnt even slightly drunk it was all put on

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?

You told me to swallow razor blades, you aint as moral as you like to portray.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

You told me to swallow razor blades, you aint as moral as you like to portray.

First of all I didn't... And secondly although it isn't something I would suggest to somebody, it's still not quite the same as offering to finger strange men's arses!

[Kazanne]

No one is repressed just some of us have standards

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one is repressed just some of us have standards

And morals

[Jack_]

lol @ the idea of morality and 'standards' being linked to the extent of which someone expresses their sexuality

It's perfectly fine for men to rate women quite openly out and about and on social media and it's perfectly fine for them to discuss what they'd like to do said women (sometimes even to their faces) cause they're just LADZ innit~ living by the Lad Bible, but Jesus should a female dare to converse in the same kind of manner and she's deemed to be a ****ing immoral, worthless, trampy ****ing slut?

It's saddening. Truly, truly saddening.

When are people going to learn that people expressing their sexuality openly and freely is both healthy (to society too) and natural?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

lol @ the idea of morality and 'standards' being linked to the extent of which someone expresses their sexuality

It's perfectly fine for men to rate women quite openly out and about and on social media and it's perfectly fine for them to discuss what they'd like to do said women (sometimes even to their faces) cause they're just LADZ innit~ living by the Lad Bible, but Jesus should a female dare to converse in the same kind of manner and she's deemed to be a ****ing immoral, worthless, trampy ****ing slut?

It's saddening. Truly, truly saddening.

When are people going to learn that people expressing their sexuality openly and freely is both healthy (to society too) and natural?

Lol at the over exaggeration in that post, she wasn't expressing her sexuality she was asking people she had never met before in her life about their sexual encounters, on tv I may add.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

Lol at the over exaggeration in that post, she wasn't expressing her sexuality she was asking people she had never met before in her life about their sexual encounters, on tv I may add.

Yes the clear and indisputable fact that men are encouraged and generally not condemned for celebrating their sexuality openly is certainly just me exaggerating. Of course it is. Like I said when these attitudes come from men it's just plain misogyny but when they come from women themselves it's just downright depressing.

And um she was, because when questioning Dappy on whether he'd let someone finger him, she made references to the fact that she would 'do it to him' and he would love it, and that she does it to guys herself. So yes, she was expressing her sexuality. Oh and not only that but she was imitating sex on top of Sam in the bedroom.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes the clear and indisputable fact that men are encouraged and generally not condemned for celebrating their sexuality openly is certainly just me exaggerating. Of course it is. Like I said when these attitudes come from men it's just plain misogyny but when they come from women themselves it's just downright depressing.

And um she was, because when questioning Dappy on whether he'd let someone finger him, she made references to the fact that she would 'do it to him' and he would love it, and that she does it to guys herself. So yes, she was expressing her sexuality. Oh and not only that but she was imitating sex on top of Sam in the bedroom.

We werent discussing Sam and Jasmine in the bedroom in here though were were talking about what she said infront of Lionel and his reaction.

So yeah I do think you were over reacting to come into the thread and start going on about sexuality, feminism etc you went off on a tangent that had practically nothing to do with the discussion..

Her getting her boobs out or carrying on with Sam in the bedroom doesnt bother me one bit, I still think what she was sat saying in the garden is out of order and would think the same no matter if it was a male or female that said it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

We werent discussing Sam and Jasmine in the bedroom in here though were were talking about what she said infront of Lionel and his reaction.

So yeah I do think you were over reacting to come into the thread and start going on about sexuality, feminism etc you went off on a tangent that had practically nothing to do with the discussion..

Her getting her boobs out or carrying on with Sam in the bedroom doesnt bother me one bit, I still think what she was sat saying in the garden is out of order and would think the same no matter if it was a male or female that said it.

Well there's certainly been some on here tonight who have criticised the way she acted in the bedroom so...

But regardless, I've just explained how that conversation was her expressing her sexuality. What else was it? She was instigating a conversation about hers and Dappy's sexual likes and dislikes. How is that anything other than expressing your sexuality?

And it has everything to do with the discussion because whether or not there are some like you that wouldn't have liked the topic of conversation regardless of gender (that's better than having a double standards approach admittedly but I would argue such open attitudes and expression towards sex and sexuality is actually natural and healthy to society and it should be encouraged, but that's a different debate altogether), in society generally the belief that women should remain 'lady like' (lol what a indefinable concept anyway) and not engage in such conversations is a prevalent one, all whilst men are on the whole actively encouraged and allowed to talk openly about their sexual fantasies because that's all part of being a 'lad'.

The point I am making is that whilst you or a few others may dislike that kind of conversation regardless of whether the instigator is male or female, the general attitudes towards this in society are wildly sexist and involve everything I've explained so far in this thread. And as such, condemning a female for partaking in such behaviour on a TV show is actually contributing to this divide because it's only seeking to continue the same gender splits. You might not think it is but on a wider scale it just does, the more these opinions are thrown about the more it continues to be normal to criticise a woman for this behaviour but it's not so much important if a man does it. It might be still be to you as you've said but generally speaking it isn't as condemned and surely you must at least be able to admit that?

[erinp5]

1.10am: Jasmine has shocked Lionel again. We're blushing

[CaudleHalbard]

She was, let's face it, as drunk as a skunk! :-D

[Kizzy]

I thought it was funny seeing dappy and co squirm when she was discussing it, she and louisa are going to clash as they are both very very sexually aggressive women.

[Jack_]

I will repeat though, I can understand people's issues with her conversing like that in front of Lionel (not in general though there's no issue), there are potentially issues of disrespect there (or perhaps it's just more a bit bizarre), but she was completely off her face - I'm not surprised she had no filter to be quite honest.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I will repeat though, I can understand people's issues with her conversing like that in front of Lionel (not in general though there's no issue), there are potentially issues of disrespect there (or perhaps it's just more a bit bizarre), but she was completely off her face - I'm not surprised she had no filter to be quite honest.

Jack, can you please shorten your posts and try not to use psycho babble because after reading your submissions several times, I get the feeling that you are forcing a point you know very little about and it has little or no relevance to anything in this thread.

Why don't you open a new thread and post your feelings there. Ive lost the plot on this thread now. Lionel is an 82 yr old man that has Victorian views of sex and life, he has a right to be bemused or upset but what you are trying to do is make him out to be some kind of Neanderthal moron and your views as a youngster are fraught with life experiences when you are so young and seemingly very bitter regarding views that don't gel with yours.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jack, can you please shorten your posts and try not to use psycho babble because after reading your submissions several times, I get the feeling that you are forcing a point you know very little about and it has little or no relevance to anything in this thread.

Why don't you open a new thread and post your feelings there. Ive lost the plot on this thread now. Lionel is an 82 yr old man that has Victorian views of sex and life, he has a right to be bemused or upset but what you are trying to do is make him out to be some kind of Neanderthal moron and your views as a youngster are fraught with life experiences when you are so young and seemingly very bitter regarding views that don't gel with yours.

What the actual ******? I've made two clear references in this thread to the fact that I can understand why people would think her conversing in such a manner in front of Lionel would be unacceptable. Have you actually read the thread through or are you just trying to throw some more unnecessary digs at me?

I have made it perfectly clear that I think having such a conversation in front of an 80 year old man brings up issues of disrespect, so if anything I've actually taken Lionel's views and beliefs into consideration here, where on earth have I made him out to be or suggested that he is 'some kind of Neanderthal moron'? That's grossly untrue and actually quite unfair, I've done nothing of the sort in this thread. Other people perhaps, but certainly not me. Surely other people can vouch for me on that also?

Like seriously, stop trying to insult me at every available opportunity, especially when I haven't even done anything you're accusing me of. What is your problem?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jack, can you please shorten your posts and try not to use psycho babble because after reading your submissions several times, I get the feeling that you are forcing a point you know very little about and it has little or no relevance to anything in this thread.

Why don't you open a new thread and post your feelings there. Ive lost the plot on this thread now. Lionel is an 82 yr old man that has Victorian views of sex and life, he has a right to be bemused or upset but what you are trying to do is make him out to be some kind of Neanderthal moron and your views as a youngster are fraught with life experiences when you are so young and seemingly very bitter regarding views that don't gel with yours.

I dont think its an age thing,decent people do NOT talk like this in front of anyone ,says more about the person saying it ,than those who dont approve,she had known them all a couple of hours and spoke like that ? dirty,filthy cow

[smeagol]

i like her dont care attitude she reminds me of me. is that the jasmine who done that sex tape?
lional is just being precious. he wants to be hip but he picks his morals when he wishes.
sad

[Kizzy]

I disagreed with my daughter on this, I don't feel she should modify her behaviour for lionel, he is a person to treat him any differently than you would anyone else is wrong as far as I see it.
He is old yes but I think it would be discriminatory and rather patronising to single him out due to this during a group conversation.
He may have looked shocked... they all did to be fair

[Ammi]

..if she had modifies her behaviour, then she would be called 'false' and she was drunk and uninhibited anyway..and as much as I've always liked Lionel, it's ok for him to accept the money etc to go into CBB but then if he's going to do that then he has to accept what that means and there is often 'controversial' behaviour...I don't think that respect is anything to do with age either..why should she respect him any more than she would any of the other housemates, she doesn't know him at all..anyway, it's all providing what BB aim for because that's why they put such mixed age range housemates in....

[Ammi]

..I was trying to think of an analogy..(other than the Sam one which has been mentioned..)...and the only thing I could think of wasn't on BB but for myself when I first joined the forum and the respect that is felt that Jasmine should have showed Lionel..that would be like me saying...'excuse me, I'm here now, you can cut that out and stop any crude talk because I find it disrespectful...'..what would give me the right to say that or expect it of anyone....I know this is on National TV but that's really only Jasmine's concern and how the general public will judge her for it but there have been far more offensive things to me on BB than crude talk and crude talk doesn't mean she lacks morals or is a bad person at all, it runs far deeper than that....and respect is for yourself really....