[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

Spot on Livia.

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

Yes, Lee treats women badly too but we are discussing Jim here, and Lees behaviour although horrible doesn't have anything to do with Jim

[Livia]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Yes, Lee treats women badly too but we are discussing Jim here, and Lees behaviour although horrible doesn't have anything to do with Jim

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Livia

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

No, what I'm saying is I don't believe he has changed. I had little knowledge of him before he went in and has never watched him on TV before. In my eyes, he is a horrible man - I base this on what I've seen in the house, and what I've seen of him makes me believe that the various stories about him are true.

I think he is trying to sugar coat his behaviour in the house but I when I watch him I see that he is horrible

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

I can't believe you are comparing a horny idiot like Lee to a homophobic domestic abuser.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

I can't believe you are comparing a horny idiot like Lee to a homophobic domestic abuser.

I don't know about Lee's private life and neither do you. I know what Jim did in the past, but I don't think he should be labelled a "homophobic domestic abuser" for the rest of his life though, having claimed to have turned his life around and showing every sign of that being the case. Don't you feel people can redeem themselves, ever? That's a very restrictive view.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

Where is the evidence the Lionel dislikes him, they are often together, Lionel gossips about him, and nominated him for being bossy and doing things for him! A tactical move as his ego won't allow Jim to be in the house after him.

[PrincessIona]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Where is the evidence the Lionel dislikes him, they are often together, Lionel gossips about him, and nominated him for being bossy and doing things for him! A tactical move as his ego won't allow Jim to be in the house after him.

I was pretty much going on the fact he nominated him.. I don't believe you would nominate someone you like

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by PrincessIona

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

Why did his comments about nuclear bombs offend you?

[Bojangles]

They keep the peace through fear.

[Stevep]

Jim has a sketchy past to say the least, people may claim he has changed based on his behaviour in the house but from the few snippets that we have seen of him he more often than not has got under somebody's skin. Coincidence? I think not. He bites whenever the opportunity arises and often uses his comedy, and peoples misinterpretation of it, as an excuse for his misdemeanors which he then in-turn uses to his advantage to then insult people in the guise of a 'joke' (the Jasmine incident springs to mind). 'Fans' of his may believe otherwise but i think it is glaringly obvious he is suppressing the real Jim.

That said, i don't particularly like or dislike the guy, just giving my opinion from what i have observed from his various comments/actions etc.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Stevep

Jim has a sketchy past to say the least, people may claim he has changed based on his behaviour in the house but from the few snippets that we have seen of him he more often than not has got under somebody's skin. Coincidence? I think not. He bites whenever the opportunity arises and often uses his comedy, and peoples misinterpretation of it, as an excuse for his misdemeanors which in-turn he uses to his advantage to then insult people in the guise of a 'joke' (the Jasmine incident springs to mind). 'Fans' of his may believe otherwise but i think it is blatantly obvious he is suppressing the real Jim.

That said, i don't particularly like or dislike the guy, just giving my opinion from what i have observed from his various comments/actions etc.

Exactly right. He's not managing to hide his passive - aggressiveness very well, is he?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Exactly right. He's not managing to hide his passive - aggressiveness very well, is he?

I agree with this to be honest. He is very passive aggressive and (tries to) hide it as "just comedy" (although he also is distinctly unfunny...) when its quite clear from his body language that he is angry. He's also randomly quipped some nasty little snippets and then tried to pretend it didn't happen (or again, was a joke) because he knows he's supposed to repressing that side of him in the BB house... But little dribbles of his real thoughts and feelings sometimes sneak out.

[Bojangles]

Our boys and girl's in the forces are getting blown to bits by fighting for peace.Jim backs our armed forces 100% and does a lot for them.I for one salute you Jim.

[smudgie]

Nothing lovely about this asshole.
Can't wait until he can't hold the hate in any longer.

[smeagol]

people judge based on hype. least he isn't a horse puncher lol

[Verbal]

Sexist, racist, alcoholic Thatcherite

If Evander wasnt more right wing than he is he would have been first out.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The thing with Jim Davidson is that he's objectively the most objectionable casting choice ever? Like, someone with as shady of a history as his, sorry but I have no real interest seeing that, let alone seeing him become a victim of people (rightfully) judging him based on his past.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

The thing with Jim Davidson is that he's objectively the most objectionable casting choice ever? Like, someone with as shady of a history as his, sorry but I have no real interest seeing that, let alone seeing him become a victim of people (rightfully) judging him based on his past.

No redemption for anyone then? How sad.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think there are much more legitimate ways to seek redemption than appear on a reality programme for three weeks and tone down your racism/homophobia/misogyny/whathaveyou

[Livia]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

I think there are much more legitimate ways to seek redemption than appear on a reality programme for three weeks and tone down your racism/homophobia/misogyny/whathaveyou

What do you want him to do, set up a mission? He's not been in the public eye for ages. How do we know he's "toning down" all that stuff, and that he hasn't, like he claims, turned his life around? Anyhoo, time will tell.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean I wouldn't say it's all that irrelevant when he was initially scheduled to be on CBB11, which was hosted by a gay guy he previously clashed with on another show.

[Kizzy]

Jim has written at least 2 autobiographies where he admits his abuse and alcoholism, he's still drinking therefore he's still an alcoholic as far as I see it.
Due to his documented clashes with the police and others, I find it hard to believe he has mellowed. If he manages to last without lashing out I'll be amazed.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..haha, the best gift of all is that smiley gift....

I love it, it's my favorite smilie ever

[QUOTE=Kizzy;6608333]Jim has written at least 2 autobiographies where he admits his abuse and alcoholism, he's still drinking therefore he's still an alcoholic as far as I see it.
Due to his documented clashes with the police and others, I find it hard to believe he has mellowed. If he manages to last without lashing out I'll be amazed.[/QUOT


don't put the mockers on him