[Samm]

Maybe the housemates like the entertaining housemates and don't nominate them, Charley from BB8 was only nominated twice and Nikki from BB7

[Josy]

Doesn't really matter either way if theres a minimum of 3 up....

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by Nathan_

They should take a leaf out of Big Brother Finland, and have both VTE and VTS. The votes are then combined and the person with the lowest votes to save after deduction is evicted. That way, contestants that are both popular yet annoying may stand a chance of staying for longer in the house.

Not anymore. It was like that from 2006 to 2010, but on 2011 we changed it to vote to save. First season we had vote to evict.

[smeagol]

loudest will go then. we best tweet the housemates and say to the big personalities to act quiet for a week or 2

for once id like to see a bore go first and 2nd

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Doesn't really matter either way if theres a minimum of 3 up....

This makes no sense. In VTS 3+ increases chance of entertaining housemates staying, but VTE with 3+ just makes it easier for the public to target one housemate and counter-voting won't work

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not true, that is true of VTS as if it's a head to head it turns into a reverse vote to evict, but no matter how many people are up under VTE, the person that has had the most screentime/does the most/is the most controversial/entertaining will almost certainly be the person evicted. Actually if anything more housemates being up under VTE works against the big characters as they're the ones targeted while the floaters pick up basically no votes at all.

VTS and a minimum of three or four people up would solve the problem of big characters leaving over bores once and for all. They don't seem to get it

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[Jemal]

Jack slaying with hes essays again

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not true, that is true of VTS as if it's a head to head it turns into a reverse vote to evict, but no matter how many people are up under VTE, the person that has had the most screentime/does the most/is the most controversial/entertaining will almost certainly be the person evicted. Actually if anything more housemates being up under VTE works against the big characters as they're the ones targeted while the floaters pick up basically no votes at all.

VTS and a minimum of three or four people up would solve the problem of big characters leaving over bores once and for all. They don't seem to get it

basically this. I doubt sallie would have been the first evictee last series with a vote to save . vote to evict should just be scrapped forever.

[JPG2502]

I started a thread about this ages ago. And some people didn't believe it.
It was decided way back last summer that it would be vote to 'evict' for civilian and 'save' for celebrity.
This is the brainchild of Ben Frow and no one else. He apparently has the final say.
Really really stupid idea !
Why not just leave it as 'save' , what is the issue here? I don't get it, would love to know his trail of thought on this one....

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

This makes no sense. In VTS 3+ increases chance of entertaining housemates staying, but VTE with 3+ just makes it easier for the public to target one housemate and counter-voting won't work

How can it make it easier for the public to target one person if there is 3 up? that makes no sense the votes will end up split no matter what.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Josy

How can it make it easier for the public to target one person if there is 3 up? that makes no sense the votes will end up split no matter what.

VTS 3+ - Makes it easier to save the desirable HM and harder for the British public to attempt to block vote the 'entertaining housemate' out of the show

VTE 3+ - Makes it easier for British public to evict the desirable/entertaining HM and harder for us fans who care about entertainment over niceness to block vote out one of the dullards. Also votes will be split between the two dullards in any sort of attempted block vote and the entertaining one will go regardless.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The main assumption in the VTE/VTS debate is that the "entertaining" HM who would go in a VTE is actually entertaining, and that the "bore" who would go in VTS is actually a bore, and tbh those are pretty lofty assumptions.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

VTS 3+ - Makes it easier to save the desirable HM and harder for the British public to attempt to block vote the 'entertaining housemate' out of the show

VTE 3+ - Makes it easier for British public to evict the desirable/entertaining HM and harder for us fans who care about entertainment over niceness to block vote out one of the dullards. Also votes will be split between the two dullards in any sort of attempted block vote and the entertaining one will go regardless.

You are over complicating things now

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

The main assumption in the VTE/VTS debate is that the "entertaining" HM who would go in a VTE is actually entertaining, and that the "bore" who would go in VTS is actually a bore, and tbh those are pretty lofty assumptions.

Yep.

It's always the same old tired argument.

Entertainment is an individual preference.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Josy

You are over complicating things now

Why? What part doesn't make sense/isn't logical?

You questioned my post and I responded with a valid one

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Why? What part doesn't make sense/isn't logical?

You questioned my post and I responded with a valid one

As did I.

If three are up even with VTS there is no guarantee that the housemate you deem to be worth saving will stay.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Josy

As did I.

If three are up even with VTS there is no guarantee that the housemate you deem to be worth saving will stay.

I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about the general opinion on TiBB which is usually shared by the majority of who is entertaining/who isn't.

Of course people who like quiet housemates will vote to evict loud ones, but then it becomes a much slower show and makes it hard for counter-block voting.

The last CBB wouldn't have been as good as it was without VTS, you have to admit that.

[Samm]

The black girls are successful with VTE anyway and most the entertaing housemates over the years

The only Housemates who fell with VTE is Mary, Bonnie, Sophia and Sallie

[Macie Lightfoot]

wow Bonnie and Sallie were such losses xxx

[JPG2502]

Originally Posted by Hayden

I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about the general opinion on TiBB which is usually shared by the majority of who is entertaining/who isn't.

Of course people who like quiet housemates will vote to evict loud ones, but then it becomes a much slower show and makes it hard for counter-block voting.

The last CBB wouldn't have been as good as it was without VTS, you have to admit that.

ALL of the channel 5 CBB's would have been an absolute disaster if they used vote to evict. So I suppose we can be thankful they still use 'save' for the celebrity series.

I can't see bringing back VTE being anything but a hindrance to the civilian series unfortunately .
Unless of course they also bring back the old rule of 2 housemates up each week. In that case it wouldn't be so much of a disaster.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

wow Bonnie and Sallie were such losses xxx

I'm supporting VTE, I wouldn't mind VTS either tbh

But Bonnie was an iconic first evictee <3333

[Samm]

Originally Posted by JPG2502

ALL of the channel 5 CBB's would have been an absolute disaster if they used vote to evict. So I suppose we can be thankful they still use 'save' for the celebrity series.

I can't see bringing back VTE being anything but a hindrance to the civilian series unfortunately .
Unless of course they also bring back the old rule of 2 housemates up each week. In that case it wouldn't be so much of a disaster.

You haven't even seen the cast yet so I don't see how your saying it will be a disaster

[reece(:]

Bonnie and Sallie were fab <3

[Headie]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

The black girls are successful with VTE anyway and most the entertaing housemates over the years

Uhm do you realise that, excluding Gina, all the black girls were evicted the first (or in a few cases the second) time they were put up for eviction?

Anyway I'm more pissed they keep switching for the civillian one but keep the celeb one VTS. That's why I'm mainly complaining.

[JPG2502]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

You haven't even seen the cast yet so I don't see how your saying it will be a disaster

Oh it will be, mark my words
They need to sustain an audience.
Especially with the world cup grabbing everyone's interest this year.

I actually think VTE made very little difference last year........ That was of course up until about week 7 when it did start to spoil the show and we ended up with another boring finale of bb11 proportions !

[MrMinaj]

Originally Posted by JPG2502

Oh it will be, mark my words
They need to sustain an audience.
Especially with the world cup grabbing everyone's interest this year.

I actually think VTE made very little difference last year........ That was of course up until about week 7 when it did start to spoil the show and we ended up with another boring finale of bb11 proportions !

Well on that point, their is a positive I can draw from using VTE in that I get so bored with the series that I lose the will to watch towards the end that I get to claim some of my summer back
It can't be coincidence that the only series in the past 8 years that I have been able to watch all the way through are the first 2 on channel 5, which both used vote to save..