[JohnnyBB]

Well if raitings where to drop again under a million tonight the show is in serious trouble.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

The way people go on though, you'd think every other show averaged 5 million.. football killed pretty much everything last night, My Sisters Keeper had 400k or so less viewers than BB and BBC2 had a million viewers for French and Saunders... Big Brother wasn't the only show to struggle

Are repeats and an old film supposed to bring in viewers though? They're not the channels biggest shows, they're schedule fillers because they know football is on.

Big Brother is supposed to be channel 5's biggest show.

[uniquedude]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Sam no offence but every comment made about the ratings and the cast you have to come in and say they are the best yet or ratings are bad because of the weather or the football ect ect .

How are you going to keep this up if this continues over the next week?

I was going to say the next 2 nights will tell, that the first proper highlight shows show accurately how many people will stick with BB but tomorrow there's another twist, another 90 minute show on a Monday night.

Its strange they got everything like the house and graphics spot on but then filled it with a group of housemates who are the reason the public hate BB.

100% wannabes. Plus the fact they have already been on other reality shows is the icing on the cake.

Unfortunately people seem to be over looking it because Rylan has said "they have all been on the cusp of fame" making it sound like its part of the theme.
Its not, its a white wash.

Im not a negative person or a BB hater before anyone starts having a go im just saying it how it is. I love BB and I really want it to smash it in the ratings again but I wont make up lame excuses or be in denial over the reasons its flopping just because its not fan behaviour.

Tell em how it is. The housemate selection is **** point blank

[uniquedude]

Originally Posted by Barker

Unfortunately I think it's down to the lack of diversity in housemates, and the abundance of models and people who have had exposure to celebrity life-style.

MODELS have nothing to do with it, anyone remember little ole Sallie or Hazel from last year? Fame has nothing to do with it, loads of people from past series have been in the public eye slightly cusp of fame or whatever the different this year is the people are too 2 dimensional, we need characters like Charlie, Callum, Dexter, Makosi, Heaven. People who aint just 'im a bitch' 'im ruthless' too much bravado little substance. I really thought C5 had cracked the formula considering how well they casted the last two years (both of which have been compared to the best series on C4) I have no idea why they went a different route

[Raph]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Sam no offence but every comment made about the ratings and the cast you have to come in and say they are the best yet or ratings are bad because of the weather or the football ect ect .

How are you going to keep this up if this continues over the next week?

I was going to say the next 2 nights will tell, that the first proper highlight shows show accurately how many people will stick with BB but tomorrow there's another twist, another 90 minute show on a Monday night.

Its strange they got everything like the house and graphics spot on but then filled it with a group of housemates who are the reason the public hate BB.

100% wannabes. Plus the fact they have already been on other reality shows is the icing on the cake.

Unfortunately people seem to be over looking it because Rylan has said "they have all been on the cusp of fame" making it sound like its part of the theme.
Its not, its a white wash.

Im not a negative person or a BB hater before anyone starts having a go im just saying it how it is. I love BB and I really want it to smash it in the ratings again but I wont make up lame excuses or be in denial over the reasons its flopping just because its not fan behaviour.

speaking the truth

[Raph]

Originally Posted by uniquedude

MODELS have nothing to do with it, anyone remember little ole Sallie or Hazel from last year? Fame has nothing to do with it, loads of people from past series have been in the public eye slightly cusp of fame or whatever the different this year is the people are too 2 dimensional, we need characters like Charlie, Callum, Dexter, Makosi, Heaven. People who aint just 'im a bitch' 'im ruthless' too much bravado little substance. I really thought C5 had cracked the formula considering how well they casted the last two years (both of which have been compared to the best series on C4) I have no idea why they went a different route

I see your point but I think you missed what I was trying to get at. I think it's fine that there are a couple of models - the issue is when the majority are and then you're left with very little regardless of whether they're one dimensional or not. Charlie, Callum, Dexter, Makosi and Heaven all weren't models from what I remember?

[Marsh.]

I've never understood them playing into the public perception of the show which furthers the bad reputation the show has.

I'm surprised they haven't gone all out and built a sex den.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I've never understood them playing into the public perception of the show which furthers the bad reputation the show has.

I'm surprised they haven't gone all out and built a sex den.

So true

[Marsh.]

It hit me again when I was listening to the American podcast earlier with someone who's watching BBUK for the first time and was having it explained by a couple of guys who started watching a couple of years back and when I was listening and hating half of what they were saying I was thinking "I don't recognise this show anymore and I'm not sure I like it"

Yet I continue to watch. My loyalty is too strong.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It hit me again when I was listening to the American podcast earlier with someone who's watching BBUK for the first time and was having it explained by a couple of guys who started watching a couple of years back and when I was listening and hating half of what they were saying I was thinking "I don't recognise this show anymore and I'm not sure I like it"

Yet I continue to watch. My loyalty is too strong.

I feel the exact same way Marsh! I'm honestly just watching out of loyalty now, and out of fear that it's going to be the last series ever since the cast is so poor, so I don't want to miss that, if that makes sense. Sad times

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I actually thought BB11/UBB whilst not a perfect series by any means, was quite a decent send off for it.

It definitely needed a break for a few years. Channel 5 bringing it back so soon and cramming so many series in such a short space of time didn't help at all.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, I actually thought BB11/UBB whilst not a perfect series by any means, was quite a decent send off for it.

It definitely needed a break for a few years. Channel 5 bringing it back so soon and cramming so many series in such a short space of time didn't help at all.

Yeah I actually loved BB11, and the only Channel 5 series that lived up to Channel 4 standards for me was BB14, it had such an amazing cast.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Barker

Yeah I actually loved BB11, and the only Channel 5 series that lived up to Channel 4 standards for me was BB14, it had such an amazing cast.

[Rob!]

Your words make me sad

[Josy]

Marsh hurry up and stop watching then we don't have to put up with you any more

[Marsh.]

I wish I could but I'm an addict.

[James]

I've enjoyed what I've seen so far. Big Brother has always had fame-wannabe housemates, even the first series.

Look at BB7 - for instance - the number of housemates that had sought fame in some way, it even was a running joke amongst the housemates that a lot of them used to hang out at Chinawhites club in London.

The housemates tend to look all the same on opening night - probably more so in recent series to be fair, but the differences soon emerge.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I wish I could but I'm an addict.

See, I felt exactly the same as you during the first celeb series and BB12 when channel 5 first took it. Literally just watched out of loyalty but knew it was awful. Since then except Rylan and *****die shore's series, I've loved c5 BB

[Marsh.]

I detested it from when it started on c5 until last year. I found the CBB's mostly decent but BB12 and 13 I actually couldn't finish, found them awful.

BB14 I really enjoyed but I'm getting the feeling I'm back to not liking it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by James

I've enjoyed what I've seen so far. Big Brother has always had fame-wannabe housemates, even the first series.

Look at BB7 - for instance - the number of housemates that had sought fame in some way, it even was a running joke amongst the housemates that a lot of them used to hang out at Chinawhites club in London.

The housemates tend to look all the same on opening night - probably more so in recent series to be fair, but the differences soon emerge.

Fame hungry doesn't really bother me, it's when the house is crawling with them and they're so self aware (which is obviously a natural byproduct of the show running for so long) and the channel 5 style just makes it feel more fake to me.

Like when I watch clips of BBUS I feel like I'm watching a scripted show like The Hills or something, that's what BBUK is morphing into and I don't like it.

[smeagol]

The last 2 bb's were the best ever in my view. including the celeb one which i usually dislike. it would be a big shame if it suddenly got canned after such a big high. last years was big news .

fame hungry doesn't matter. nothing matters really except the characters of the housemates and the twists.
i think people tunned in to see if they could relate to any of them and saw a load of business people with good looks and thought thats not me. and switched off.
bb's fault if this is the last . people want people they can releate too. hard to relate to millionaire bores managers. its not the apprentice.
thats why the winner is never those kind of people.

[Black Dagger]

BB11/UBB were both tragic and weren't in anyway, shape or form a good 'send off'

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are repeats and an old film supposed to bring in viewers though? They're not the channels biggest shows, they're schedule fillers because they know football is on.

Big Brother is supposed to be channel 5's biggest show.

Well, Dirty Dancing brought in 1.6 million viewers last night for 5, so.. yes?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Well, Dirty Dancing brought in 1.6 million viewers last night for 5, so.. yes?

What? You think BBC2 thought they'd get bumper ratings for a cheap repeat of French and Saunders? No, there's a reason they stick repeats on for cheap schedule filling.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

BB11/UBB were both tragic and weren't in anyway, shape or form a good 'send off'

Well I thought they were and they were head and shoulders above the 4 years that have come after it. Considering where BB had gotten itself by 2010, BB11/UBB was very decent. It could've been a hell of a lot worse.