[Princess]

I am pro-choice but I do think it's more complicated than that. I'm not sure I could ever one, not unless the child was severely disabled. It's up to the mother and whether she feels she can support the baby and if she can't, then that's her choice and no one elses.

Abortion is illegal in Ireland and it infruriates me. Women can still get abortions but they have to fly to the UK to do it, so basically only people who can afford it can get an abortion. Women are always going to get abortions, they might as well have one safely.

[Jack_]

Well it's not exactly nice or desirable but I'm pro choice. And I definitely don't think it should be outlawed either, much like drugs things like this being illegal make the whole thing incredibly dangerous because people will still go through with it if they want to anyway.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well it's not exactly nice or desirable but I'm pro choice. And I definitely don't think it should be outlawed either, much like drugs things like this being illegal make the whole thing incredibly dangerous because people will still go through with it if they want to anyway.

what about the choices, the pressure to abort, the time and resources to allow the mother and father the information and specialists at hand to open all options to them....adoption, fostering , surrogacy etc so many parents who do abort have their lives destroyed by regrt forever, not to forget the killing of the innocent baby in the womb. the biggets mistake of pro choices is reducing this massive disaster to a male v female petty battle. just as man females are killed off as male babies. it should never ever be a gender issue. its all about proactively ensuring all options are on the table in every single hospital and no pressure is ever applied to the parents to abort. sadly as we see with the dreadful state of the nhs, the standards vary massively as does the service provide with the post code lottery

[Bluerang1]

Pro-Life. But tbh we're overpopulated anyway. My deal is don't have sex if you don't want a baby.

Now in terms of rape, I don't think the baby should have to suffer not experiencing life but as the mother had no say in the case I guess... :/

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Bluerang1

Pro-Life. But tbh we're overpopulated anyway. My deal is don't have sex if you don't want a baby.

Now in terms of rape, I don't think the baby should have to suffer not experiencing life but as the mother had no say in the case I guess... :/

But if it doesn't experience life how can it suffer?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

But if it doesn't experience life how can it suffer?

are you serious???

its living in the womb?

by that logic why not strangle the baby with the umbilical cord

[Jord]

I personally think it's wrong, however, it is entirely up to the parents of the unborn child. If they want to have an abortion, for whatever reason, then that's their choice and nobody else's.

[Sam:)]

I kind of think its one of them each to there own sort of thing. I dont think a lot of people think about the decision they're making and are psychologically ready. I just think a lot more assessment needs to go on before an abortion takes place. It should somewhat have a long interview about what she views as the pros and cons, informing the woman of what exactly is going to happen and discussing alternate ways (Adoption etc.) I can see peoples reasoning behind objecting to it but I just dont think its fair to force someone to have a child, nor do I agree with it becoming a form of contraception. It should be seen as a last resort, available but not seen as an easy option. Now a days with condoms being basically sold everywhere you have to be quite dosy to willingly have un-protected sex.

If it were to happen to me I think as a bloke, if abortion was easily available here and I did get someone pregnant I would probably ask her to abort it. Which I know I would regret, its one of them things that would never leave my mind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its necessary and should be encouraged a lot more in the 3rd world

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its necessary and should be encouraged a lot more in the 3rd world

If the 3rd world could afford abortions then it wouldn't need population control.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If the 3rd world could afford abortions then it wouldn't need population control.

That does not make sense and i am not talking about them affording it.

[Kizzy]

'The vast majority of abortions are performed at under 13 weeks (91% in 2011). There
has been a continuing increase in the proportion of abortions that are performed under 10
weeks since 2002. In 2011, 78% of abortions were performed at under 10 weeks,
compared to 77% in 2010 and 58% in 2001.'

Embryo to fetus is at 9 weeks, best the procedure is sooner rather than later.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ommentary1.pdf

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'The vast majority of abortions are performed at under 13 weeks (91% in 2011). There
has been a continuing increase in the proportion of abortions that are performed under 10
weeks since 2002. In 2011, 78% of abortions were performed at under 10 weeks,
compared to 77% in 2010 and 58% in 2001.'

Embryo to fetus is at 9 weeks, best the procedure is sooner rather than later.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ommentary1.pdf

at 24 weeks you have fully formed babies. thousands of babies born before 24 weeks have lived long healthy lives .........babies have survived and thrived being born after just 20 weeks. yet were allowed to murder them up to 24 weeks?

[Tom4784]

There's no point in replying to The Truth, he doesn't deal in facts, only delusions.

[Vicky.]

I think the huge majority of abortions carried out after 12 weeks are for medical reasons anyway... You dont get the downs screening test until your 12 week scan (which can be anywhere between 12-14 weeks anyway) and then if you are high risk they do more tests on you.

I personally do not see a fetus as a baby in the early stages, so I do not see it as 'killing babies'. After 12 weeks though it is (IMO) but as I say, I doubt many abortions are carried out after that point except for medical reasons.

[LukeB]

wrong!

[mrflibble]

Always right. No question about it. Until the embryo becomes a fetus, it neither has a beating heart nor a working brain and feeds directly off the mother, therefore it's practically a virus 'neither dead or alive' and not a living creature. If someone doesn't want a child, doesn't feel ready for a child, or the pregnancy is a result of unwanted intercourse then they should be fully in the right to decide what happens next. I find it disgusting that people still believe they have the right to dictate what anyone else is allowed to do with their body.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

Always right. No question about it. Until the embryo becomes a fetus, it neither has a beating heart nor a working brain and feeds directly off the mother, therefore it's practically a virus 'neither dead or alive' and not a living creature. If someone doesn't want a child, doesn't feel ready for a child, or the pregnancy is a result of unwanted intercourse then they should be fully in the right to decide what happens next. I find it disgusting that people still believe they have the right to dictate what anyone else is allowed to do with their body.

so by that cruel logic youd allow termination right up to the day of birth? would you? as for dictating, wrong again. what a confrontational exaggerated position. what im talking about is putting in place a far stronger system of support for parents , giving them more information, specialist advice, time and less pressure to rush to abort. more info on adoption, foster, surrogacy etc this is what were talking about....no one can force a person not to abort, thats impossible. it takes a far depeer profound love to offer more support and time and resources to these parents struggling with pregnancy.....the poor, the uneducated, the impoverished, the abused, the drug riddled, the drunks....none of whom may see the wood for the trees, many of whom may not understand the future, the options, the possibilities, some may not know hot to cloth , feed or raise a baby.........rushing to kill the baby in the womb is the saddest option in a sad society with record abortion levels. we must forget the petty gender war and come together to work together to find more support for parents. hopefully this will rduce the rush to abort and reduce too the life of pain and regret

[JTM45]

It definitely shouldn't be used as a form of contraception for careless/lazy/thoughtless people but under normal circumstances and at an early stage i think it's completely up to a woman to decide whether she wants to carry on with a pregnancy or terminate it.
It's not anyone's business to tell another person what they can or can't do with their body/pregnancy!
I'd much rather see a woman, especially in cases of underage pregnancies where the pregnancy was a mistake, terminate a pregnancy than bring an unwanted child into an over-populated World that's already got so many unwanted and un-cared for children in it!
And when people start bringing bloody religion into it............don't even get me started on that one!!!! Religion has nothing to do with anything!
For anyone to say that a girl or woman who was raped (forcibly impregnated against their will!!!) should be made to continue with that pregnancy is just inhuman and disgusting to me! Nobody has the right to enforce that on another person nor should they ever have a right or even have a say in it. It's not their situation or their business!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It definitely shouldn't be used as a form of contraception for careless/lazy/thoughtless people but under normal circumstances and at an early stage i think it's completely up to a woman to decide whether she wants to carry on with a pregnancy or terminate it.
It's not anyone's business to tell another person what they can or can't do with their body/pregnancy!
I'd much rather see a woman, especially in cases of underage pregnancies where the pregnancy was a mistake, terminate a pregnancy than bring an unwanted child into an over-populated World that's already got so many unwanted and un-cared for children in it!
And when people start bringing bloody religion into it............don't even get me started on that one!!!! Religion has nothing to do with anything!
For anyone to say that a girl or woman who was raped (forcibly impregnated against their will!!!) should be made to continue with that pregnancy is just inhuman and disgusting to me! Nobody has the right to enforce that on another person nor should they ever have a right or even have a say in it. It's not their situation or their business!

i think your comments about under age pregnancies are horrific.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

i think your comments about under age pregnancies are horrific.

Please elaborate on your ridiculously over-dramatic statement.

If you think underage girls who were too immature to realize the consequences of having un-protected sex or just didn't care should be forced to have a baby they don't want then that really is horrific!

A pregnancy is not instantly a living baby.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by JTM45

A pregnancy is not instantly a living baby.

This is what "the truth" can't seem to understand

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Please elaborate on your ridiculously over-dramatic statement.

If you think underage girls who were too immature to realize the consequences of having un-protected sex or just didn't care should be forced to have a baby they don't want then that really is horrific!

A pregnancy is not instantly a living baby.

why bother? you want all teen pregnancies to be killed off, I dont. We are worlds apart.

[Kizzy]

Hey, let's not move away from the fact it is alive...
Yes the procedure is easier the earlier it's performed but the psychological impact is as great... Let's not lose sight of that, it's not a decision made or dealt with lightly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dont forget that around 20,000 children die every day of the year from preventable disease and hunger