[Rob!]

Daily star claiming that the two had a massive screaming row that "they daren't show you on TV."
Can't find a link, but it's on the front page tomorrow.

[puzzled]

Dee was yelling and pointing her finger at Gary. How come James didn't run over and tell her that people don't do that in THIS country.

[jet]

Originally Posted by the truth

im in adulation because this is a man who has lived his life to the absolute max. in many ways for the right reasons...how many humans can really say theyve done that for the majority of their lives. he is totally out there experiencing it all, risking it all on a spit and a shoeshine......he could be sat in his hollywood mansion talking about the golden days of hollywood? instead hes out there despite it all living experiencing learning risking.......for my mind its the english in there who are the more arrogant the mentally lazier, the more ignorant and the ones who wont grow and learn....far easier to mock the crazy old yank , than actually listen learn understand and grow from his experiences

hes also got a phenomenal sense of humour, hes forgiving, hes kind, but hes never willing to earn praise or appreciation cheaply. hes true to himself at all times even under the most demanding of circumstances

i love the man. ive watched his movies my whole life. when i see a great yankee hero like that in the house , it makes me almost cry at how introverted and narrow minded we are as a people by comparison

I like to save my adulation for people like Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa, but you obviously admire the man greatly and that is fine too. I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other parts but what I really wanted to know was why he is thought to be so profound spiritually. He said he has genius and brilliance, that he has knowledge not known to us - but he doesn't expand on that, he just states it as a fact as if that is enough - but it isn't. And he does it in such as way as to come across superior spiritually which can rub people the wrong way if he keeps saying it as if that should shut anyone up and no more needs to be said...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by jet

I like to save my adulation for people like Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa, but you obviously admire the man greatly and that is fine too. I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other parts but what I really wanted to know was why he is thought to be so profound spiritually. He said he has genius and brilliance, that he has knowledge not known to us - but he doesn't expand on that, he just states it as a fact as if that is enough - but it isn't. And he does it in such as way as to come across superior spiritually which can rub people the wrong way if he keeps saying it as if that should shut anyone up and no more needs to be said...

he didnt say that. he was touched by genius. he also does expand on t, except theyre nearly all too impatient and ignorant to listen....instead they look their patience, walk off and slag him off behind his back....again taking words totally out of context is a waste of time and bordering on disingenuous. as for MLK , mother teresa, great people. but not everyone can save the free world, greatness exists in many ways. creating and producing 100s of great movies and tv shows is one way to help make a better world, entertaining the masses. hes also done a load of work for charity, raising millions, survived near death experiences , survive brain surgery, fought on with deafness and been a great father to his kids amongst many other achievements in a remarkable life. i also love his puns and philosophies.....FUN stands for Finally Undertanding Nothing.......
he also says art is just the search its not the final form....

[jet]

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt say that. he was touched by genius. he also does expand on t, except theyre nearly all too impatient and ignorant to listen....instead they look their patience, walk off and slag him off behind his back....again taking words totally out of context is a waste of time and bordering on disingenuous.

I heard him saying tonight about being touched with genius (I agree with you I heard that wrongly at first) and that he had died twice etc, but I didn't see the relevance of that in the argument they were having? Did you? Why does he have to bring up his out of body experiences and knowledge etc at every opportunity? (Sorry for all the questions)

I also missed an episode and haven't had time to watch it, so if he expanded on the 'knowledge' that he possessed it must have been in that one. What did he say? I really want to know, I'm dying to know in fact. I'm very interested and curious about what actually makes him tick and not just what he implies makes him tick, if that makes sense.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by jet

I heard him saying tonight about being touched with genius (I agree with you I heard that wrongly) and that he had died twice etc, but I didn't see the relevance of that in the argument they were having? Did you? Why does he have to bring up his out of body experiences and knowledge etc at every opportunity? (Sorry for all the questions)

I also missed an episode and haven't had time to watch it, so if he expanded on the 'knowledge' that he possessed it must have been in that one. What did he say? I really want to know, I'm dying to know in fact. I'm very interested and curious about what actually makes him tick and not just what he implies makes him tick, if that makes sense.

she voted him as her least favourite housemate and the most manipulative. she added nothing positive. the day before shed said to gary if housemates start to leave shed get bored and theyd all run out of things to talk baout. he disagreed. he said he always finds ways out of boredom.....he then suggested ways for dee to avoid boredom in future and he started yelping like a moose and encouraged dee to do likewise.....she was laughing but clearly her laughter wasnt heartfelt as 24 hours later she stuck the knife in twice....even after he had been outdoors on the celebrity scrap heap for days with his bad health too

shes a coward who played to the audience....smal time winner, big time loser

as for gary , he cant be put into a small box.....hes ahuge multi facted multi layered character..creative madcap.....open , warm, tenacious, learned, intelligent, kind , thoughtful, experienced.....hes also devoid of ego

[puzzled]

Why does she care how seriously Gary takes the game anyway? She just wanted to play wise Mum to Gary, and play one upmanship, and made a fool of herself.

[the truth]

i love how he picked her up on her flippancy .......shes done that many times when hes poured his heart out, shes like yeah whatever...ignorant

[delta]

Originally Posted by the truth

she voted him as her least favourite housemate and the most manipulative. she added nothing positive. the day before shed said to gary if housemates start to leave shed get bored and theyd all run out of things to talk baout. he disagreed. he said he always finds ways out of boredom.....he then suggested ways for dee to avoid boredom in future and he started yelping like a moose and encouraged dee to do likewise.....she was laughing but clearly her laughter wasnt heartfelt as 24 hours later she stuck the knife in twice....even after he had been outdoors on the celebrity scrap heap for days with his bad health too

shes a coward who played to the audience....smal time winner, big time loser

as for gary , he cant be put into a small box.....hes ahuge multi facted multi layered character..creative madcap.....open , warm, tenacious, learned, intelligent, kind , thoughtful, experienced.....hes also devoid of ego

Well said my friend.


I thought I would pop on here to find everyone lauding Dee for me she went way down in my estimation of her. She also set out her declaration, one of, her not being in it just for the sake of it, she's in it to win it. The public attack on Gary last night was uncalled for and unwarranted, you could see, just as Kelly had the opportunity to attack Leslie, she seized upon her chance to stick the knife into Gary. Obviously, they all have something to protect, their image. Some more than others could be potentially harmed by what is said in there and I think, as much as she said was untrue, it could harm him on the outside.

This man is 30 years their senior and they talk to him as if he's some sort of beggar on the street. Make no wonder our care homes are the way they are, and the elderly in this country are cast aside. What we witnessed by James Jordan on numerous occasions and Dee last night was the abuse of an aging gentleman who should command more respect, not only because of what he's done but reverence to his 3 score years plus 10 on this earth. I was truly disgusted the way she talked to him then flounced off as if he was a lump of dog sh!t she'd just managed to extract from her shoe. To add insult to injury-almost immediately she then proceeded to denigrate him to others.

She is what she is- street scum.

[Semtex]

The only thing that Gary has been found guilty of stealing is scenes from other actors.

The only thing that Dee has been found guilty of stealing is Ł13,000 from the most vulnerable people in her community.

Dee has no compassion, it's all an act. I dare not say that she has worked the system. claiming depression is so hard to debunk.

Gary has many actual illnesses, and has continued working through them.

I don't think that Dee had depression, I think she had shame.

Shame of showing her face after getting caught stealing, no shame where she lived because that is a closed community. she seems ok now because the money is flowing in.

If "salt of the earth" Dee moves back onto that street I will show my bare arse to Ant & Dec during a live takeaway.

Mamma Dee?

If you have an ounce of humanity do not vote this charleton/thief/manipulator to win CBB.

Oh, forget that, just reminded myself who won the "Civilian"

[delta]

The other bushel they are all hiding under at the moment and have seized upon is the " We now realise it's a game"


I have said this from day 1 of BB, LIFE IS A GAME. of which we all take part. All that happens in the BB house is that they go in there with their guard up and for some it takes a few days for it to slip to reveal their real personalities, others a few hours. You are dealing with quantum maths, you cannot influence the outcome, just as in the real world, you can't keep 15 balls up in the air all at once, it will be, what it will be.

What you see when you see people in the BB house is the skills, dodges, happenings and experiences that they have learnt and endured in the outside world brought to play in a more confined space. It's all heightened by the close proximity and the claustrophobic atmosphere and the inability to escape from these people, which for the most, they don't get along with.


Nothing more or nothing less, it's the GAME OF LIFE, played out in a closed environment.

[Tip]

I don't know if Dee just said what she did to be in with the crowd, or if she said it because that's what she feels and believes. If it is what she feels and believes then she has a right to say it.

I find this overdone glorification of Gary, who I find to be a great housemate, a bit too much for me to deal with. I personally don't find him to be such a perfect human being. It's true he may have done a lot more than quite a few others in life - and maybe that's got him somewhere significant - which makes it very strange that he'd be playing the reality show circuit in his latter years.

Maybe it's more like Shakespeare said, that LIFE IS A STAGE.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

I don't know if Dee just said what she did to be in with the crowd, or if she said it because that's what she feels and believes. If it is what she feels and believes then she has a right to say it.

I find this overdone glorification of Gary, who I find to be a great housemate, a bit too much for me to deal with. I personally don't find him to be such a perfect human being. It's true he may have done a lot more than quite a few others in life - and maybe that's got him somewhere significant - which makes it very strange that he'd be playing the reality show circuit in his latter years.

Maybe it's more like Shakespeare said, that LIFE IS A STAGE.

..I think for me with Dee and that conversation was just silly things she said which made me feel she was just 'going with the crowd' which disappointed me because I have liked her so far...but it was just silly to say Gary had stormed off to the DR after being chosen for the scrapheap and it wasn't anything personal..of course it was personal, Leslie was asked to choose the least entertaining and other housemates were offering to be chosen because of Gary's age/health etc but Leslie just ignored them and chose Gary anyway because of their past differences/that's personal...also Kellie made much more of a fuss or an equal fuss in a different way..?...and Dee has nothing bad to say about her because they seem to have formed a bond..so she's not showing any tolerance to Gary....

..she also sais something like...'we all get on and like each other..'...really, are you in the same show that we're watching Dee.....the conflicts have been quite monumental...

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think for me with Dee and that conversation was just silly things she said which made me feel she was just 'going with the crowd' which disappointed me because I have liked her so far...but it was just silly to say Gary had stormed off to the DR after being chosen for the scrapheap and it wasn't anything personal..of course it was personal, Leslie was asked to choose the least entertaining and other housemates were offering to be chosen because of Gary's age/health etc but Leslie just ignored them and chose Gary anyway because of their past differences/that's personal...also Kellie made much more of a fuss or an equal fuss in a different way..?...and Dee has nothing bad to say about her because they seem to have formed a bond..so she's not showing any tolerance to Gary....

..she also sais something like...'we all get on and like each other..'...really, are you in the same show that we're watching Dee.....the conflicts have been quite monumental...

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

..I think the thing for me with many of these conversations with Gary is not so much that I can't see why others often get frustrated/irritated etc with him...it's more that I think other housemates show him zero tolerance whereas I think they would do for others, it's kind of got a bit extreme and because of that, they kind of lose validity in what they say...for me anyway...they just don't show him tolerance because they don't like him, so even if he had a point or was right about anything, I don't think they would see it...it just starts to become a very uncomfortable 'pack' situation ...

[Tip]

It's true, if you dislike someone you aren't necessarily going to give their opinions a lot of house room - probably quite a widespread human trait tbh?

To me it's more a query as to why they dislike him - I still haven't quite got what's behind that - apart from the aggravation of having to speak clearly and loudly and be prepared to repeat yourself.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

It's true, if you dislike someone you aren't necessarily going to give their opinions a lot of house room - probably quite a widespread human trait tbh?

To me it's more a query as to why they dislike him - I still haven't quite got what's behind that - apart from the aggravation of having to speak clearly and loudly and be prepared to repeat yourself.

..I think the speaking more clearly etc and repeating themselves is a part of it and what they probably find irritating but I also think that Gary is a different 'type' of person/housemate to the 'norm' of either celebrity or civilian...not in a 'oh I'm a big Hollywood Star' type way.....but just that through his life experiences, he can't be bothered to engage in the smaller stuff that housemates do just I guess because of the type of environment...like the little bitches/groans and gripes etc...you know, when people do that together and commonly agree on things, it's a bond forming of types and I think Gary takes himself off from all of that...I also think he likes to chat about 'deeper' things in general...whereas the others are more thinking in terms of 'the game/show' because they're just more aware in general of BB than he is....

[Patricia4]

I think Dee voted for him being least favourite housemate and the most manipulative because he's a easy target she knew the rest of the housemates would laugh and she knew they would stick up for her.There is nothing nice about Dee she is very sly she even ran Leslie down to Kellie so why didn't she vote him.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the speaking more clearly etc and repeating themselves is a part of it and what they probably find irritating but I also think that Gary is a different 'type' of person/housemate to the 'norm' of either celebrity or civilian...not in a 'oh I'm a big Hollywood Star' type way.....but just that through his life experiences, he can't be bothered to engage in the smaller stuff that housemates do just I guess because of the type of environment...like the little bitches/groans and gripes etc...you know, when people do that together and commonly agree on things, it's a bond forming of types and I think Gary takes himself off from all of that...I also think he likes to chat about 'deeper' things in general...whereas the others are more thinking in terms of 'the game/show' because they're just more aware in general of BB than he is....

Perhaps, but I find it hard to think that Gary isn't aware - he's on this reality show circuit for whatever reason - and I don't really think he doesn't know. It could just be a case of dealing with it differently.

Maybe it's true that he isn't that interested in chit chat - it might have been interesting if they'd had a philosopher of some sort in the house too, although I suspect that Gary may not have been interested in that type of discussion either, but I'm easily wrong.

I like Gary as a housemate, but I certainly wouldn't like to be living with him 24/7. It's fine to put yourself out for a while when you find someone "hard work" but you do need time to get away from them. They seemed to make their decisions about him pretty quickly though.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Tip

Perhaps, but I find it hard to think that Gary isn't aware - he's on this reality show circuit for whatever reason - and I don't really think he doesn't know. It could just be a case of dealing with it differently.

Maybe it's true that he isn't that interested in chit chat - it might have been interesting if they'd had a philosopher of some sort in the house too, although I suspect that Gary may not have been interested in that type of discussion either, but I'm easily wrong.

I like Gary as a housemate, but I certainly wouldn't like to be living with him 24/7. It's fine to put yourself out for a while when you find someone "hard work" but you do need time to get away from them. They seemed to make their decisions about him pretty quickly though.

..oh I agree, as much as I like Gary, it would be hard to be around him all of the time and have to repeat yourself etc and explain yourself constantly because he doesn't understand...?..and that's the thing with the BB house, you can't get away and it's all so intensified etc...I think I would like to see more tolerance from some of the slightly older housemates at least rather than zero tolerance which is how it's coming across atm..it's hard though Tip because that balance of tolerance could be there and we're just not being shown it or it could be that they're 'heard Gary's story' and been interested etc but get impatient and annoyed that they feel he brings it up in conversations often which they don't feel is relevant...there is just so much we don't see of the other 23 hours each day and we can only comment on the things we do which may not give anything accurately...I think that's why I can never really dislike housemates either and hate when they're booed because it's all what BB have engineered for them, you know...darn BB.....

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by puzzled

Dee was yelling and pointing her finger at Gary. How come James didn't run over and tell her that people don't do that in THIS country.

This.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

I like to save my adulation for people like Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa, but you obviously admire the man greatly and that is fine too. I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other parts but what I really wanted to know was why he is thought to be so profound spiritually. He said he has genius and brilliance, that he has knowledge not known to us - but he doesn't expand on that, he just states it as a fact as if that is enough - but it isn't. And he does it in such as way as to come across superior spiritually which can rub people the wrong way if he keeps saying it as if that should shut anyone up and no more needs to be said...

Maybe he would expand on it if anyone would let him get a word in without shouting at him and rolling their eyes. I'm not a believer but he clearly believes his thing and I think its right to respect others beliefs even if you don't share them it means a lot to them.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by delta

Well said my friend.


I thought I would pop on here to find everyone lauding Dee for me she went way down in my estimation of her. She also set out her declaration, one of, her not being in it just for the sake of it, she's in it to win it. The public attack on Gary last night was uncalled for and unwarranted, you could see, just as Kelly had the opportunity to attack Leslie, she seized upon her chance to stick the knife into Gary. Obviously, they all have something to protect, their image. Some more than others could be potentially harmed by what is said in there and I think, as much as she said was untrue, it could harm him on the outside.

This man is 30 years their senior and they talk to him as if he's some sort of beggar on the street. Make no wonder our care homes are the way they are, and the elderly in this country are cast aside. What we witnessed by James Jordan on numerous occasions and Dee last night was the abuse of an aging gentleman who should command more respect, not only because of what he's done but reverence to his 3 score years plus 10 on this earth. I was truly disgusted the way she talked to him then flounced off as if he was a lump of dog sh!t she'd just managed to extract from her shoe. To add insult to injury-almost immediately she then proceeded to denigrate him to others.

She is what she is- street scum.

That.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the thing for me with many of these conversations with Gary is not so much that I can't see why others often get frustrated/irritated etc with him...it's more that I think other housemates show him zero tolerance whereas I think they would do for others, it's kind of got a bit extreme and because of that, they kind of lose validity in what they say...for me anyway...they just don't show him tolerance because they don't like him, so even if he had a point or was right about anything, I don't think they would see it...it just starts to become a very uncomfortable 'pack' situation ...

This is why Gary supporters are becoming so passionate. I think Gary is a little eccentric and he may even be irritating to live with but so are a lot of people. The way he is being treated and dismissed bothers me a lot. Its not about him being perfect, its about them being intolerant and unkind.

I find it pretty disturbing that Stephanie can throw out the comments she is and not get called on it once. Are people so superficial about a pretty face that it is acceptable for her to be rude and cruel but others condemn Gary when he isn't the one calling Stephanie an animal, a pet and telling her he doesn't like her. I am developing a great deal of respect for how Gary is handling himself. I think most of us would be in tears if we had to put up with what he is.

[booboomartin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I've liked Dee so far but really..?...he takes things too seriously..?...the 'intolerances' he could have taken seriously and cried victim/moped about/bitched about but all he's done is brushed them aside and got on with his time in there and 'judged' people the way others have done....


..and he shouldn't take it personally/they all like each other..?...well look at your friend Kellie, there Dee..taking it personally..??...pftttt...and no Dee..are you blind and deaf, you do not all like each other at all, that's the most ridiculous thing..trying to put things in a positive way is one thing but let's not be silly now....


..and all he was trying to tell you is that it was 'his truth' from his experiences and how he sees things and what's important/unimportant to him....raise your voice to his hearing impairment but stop raising it to talk over him ....and James take things in good humour...?...is that even meant to be taken seriously....

very well said, I totally agree.