[GiRTh]

Didnt Brigitte Gabriel once say Islam teaches terrorism. I'm pretty sure it doenst but that gives us an insight into her stance.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Didn Brigitte Gabriel once say Islam teaches terrorism. I'm pretty sure it doesn't but that gives us an insight into her stance.

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

[Kizzy]

"Because Europe ignored the Islamic cancer of terrorism and radicalism rising within its midst for the last 30 or 40 years, look at what they're dealing with today," Gabriel said.

"Europe could've dealt with the problem very early on in the 80s when the Islamists began organizing, especially after they brought in their family members … started multiplying … started using the government's welfare system to basically grow their families.'

Cancer? ..

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Br.../08/id/617344/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

You could quote equally barbaric passages from the Bible though. If all Muslims followed all those passages to the letter, there wouldn't be many people left in the world but obviously, just like most Christians they don't follow it to the letter

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/isla...terrorism.html

http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=47

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/55455

For any article you find anyone can find a several to counter it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You could quote equally barbaric passages from the Bible though. If all Muslims followed all those passages to the letter, there wouldn't be many people left in the world but obviously, just like most Christians they don't follow it to the letter

Like I said... the difference between the Bible and the Quran is that Muslims believe it is literally, the word of God.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like I said... the difference between the Bible and the Quran is that Muslims believe it is literally, the word of God.

SOme Christians interpret the bible literally too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/isla...terrorism.html

http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=47

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/55455

For any article you find anyone can find a several to counter it.

Hmm... you're countering actual quotes from the Quran with Islam-centric explanations.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

SOme Christians interpret the bible literally too.

I think Christians believe Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, St Paul etc... are the authors of the new Testament. Not God himself.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

Muslim believe that, unlike the Bible, the Quran is literally the word of God. Look at some peace-loving passages. If that's what she said, she's nearer the mark than you think:

Kill any one who insults Islam or Mohamed. (Koran.33;57-61)

Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57)

Muslims must fight (jihad)non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216)

We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166)

We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51)

We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101)

We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slaves. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30)

We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6)

Muslim must terrorize us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhar)

It also says Don't kill Children, Women, Handicapped, Don't disfigure someone, don't start a war.

I think it's far to say terrorist are not strong believers in the Kuran there just fanatics

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like I said... the difference between the Bible and the Quran is that Muslims believe it is literally, the word of God.

That's not much different to believing that the apostles wrote the Bible going directly by the Son of Gods teaching though both are a stretch imo but either way even if they do believe that it is the word of God, they don't all do as they're told by him then do they?otherwise they would all be out on the streets killing us, not just the Terrorist Groups, all Muslims would be

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmm... you're countering actual quotes from the Quran with Islam-centric explanations.

Why not. Not everyone has to take the text literally.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Adam.

It also says Don't kill Children, Women, Handicappe, Don't disfigure someone, don't start a war.

I think it's far to say terrorist are not strong believers in the Kuran there just fanatics

I'd like to see the verse numbers, Adam. Just for my own interest.

But you're right what you say about them being fanatics. The sad fact is that there are millions of them that believe it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Why not. Not everyone has to take the text literally.

Of course not, How many times have we heard that the Bible shouldn't be taken so literally or when they just completely disregarded the Old testament etc. Personally I think they're all a load of **** but you can't say one is worse than the other imo, they both have horrific things written in them and they both have some followers who use them as a reason to drive some hate fuelled attack on people and they both have a majority of followers who do not

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not much different to believing that the apostles wrote the Bible going directly by the Son of Gods teaching though both are a stretch imo but either way even if they do believe that it is the word of God, they don't all do as they're told by him then do they?otherwise they would all be out on the streets killing us, not just the Terrorist Groups, all Muslims would be

No, it's totally different.

Educated, forward-thinking Muslims may look at it the say you're saying. Sadly it's not those Muslims that we are at war with. And we are at war... The Muslims who want us all dead have also killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of moderate Muslims.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course not, How many times have we heard that the Bible shouldn't be taken so literally or when they just completely disregarded the Old testament etc. Personally I think they're all a load of **** but you can't say one is worse than the other imo, they both have horrific things written in them and they both have some followers who use them as a reason to drive some hate fuelled attack on people and they both have a majority of followers who do not

Becasue it is an interpretation of God's word, not literally God's word.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd like to see the verse numbers, Adam. Just for my own interest.

But you're right what you say about them being fanatics. The sad fact is that there are millions of them that believe it.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

Numbers 31:17-18

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Heres just a couple but there are loads of silly bible quotes that we can have giggle at and ask ourselves how could anyone take this text literally.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd like to see the verse numbers, Adam. Just for my own interest.

But you're right what you say about them being fanatics. The sad fact is that there are millions of them that believe it.

I don't know the verse number but I got it from someone who posted it on Facebook over the weekend and I have no reason to not believe them.

[Kizzy]

If we are such a progressive forward thinking Christian society then what's all the eye for an eye stuff in the OP about?.........

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Becasue it is an interpretation of God's word, not literally God's word.

So are you saying that mulsims must take the text literally?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If we are such a progressive forward thinking Christian society then what's all the eye for an eye stuff in the OP about?.........

I don't know I'm not a Christian. Although the eye for an eye thing is Old Testament and not really much to do with Christianity.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So are you saying that mulsims must take the text literally?

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

but surely you know the text, as with most religions, cannot be taken literally.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

but surely you know the text, as with most religions, cannot be taken literally.

Yeah, I feel like I've said this a dozen times now. Unlike other religions, the Quran is believed by Muslims to be the direct, literal word of God. And the fundamentalists and nutters hang on to that... it's their Justification. More moderate, more educated Muslims are not of that mind, but they're not the ones who are fighting us. It's people like Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-taiba, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzan… and all the other nutters who are killing not just us, but more moderate Muslims too who have suffered terribly as a result.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know I'm not a Christian. Although the eye for an eye thing is Old Testament and not really much to do with Christianity.

Question: My non-Jewish friends tell me that they think Judaism is wrong because it teaches one that an eye for an eye is the right way instead of turning the other cheek. Are they correct in their assessment of the Jewish religion? Is eye for an eye a part of Judaism and beliefs?

Answer: The quote, “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” comes from our Torah, our bible. It may be found in Leviticus 24:20


http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the...system/?p=3510