[Raph]

Originally Posted by Makosleigh

Joel was bad for wishing that Jade was scalded in the bath really

This, I would agree with. Didn't watch BB16 in its entirety so never saw this, but that's a totally valid reason for disliking someone.

[Macie Lightfoot]

To address some points...

re: Joel - trust me, I could have gone on and on about him asking basic questions in order to generate conflict to make himself look noble so he could walk away from it all with a childish smirk, or I could have also slammed him on his whole self-identity being political to the point where his Twitter handle is @JoelTory. However, I ****ing hate Joel and would rather not, so my goal is to go for the most succinct takedown.

And I won't disagree that it is kinda gross that there was a whole subplot about Joel's sexuality, and yes he's young and it's awful to go through that sort of identity crisis on national TV (the "I'm not gay!" phrase is awkward enough as it is.) Unfortunately, BB16 sucks and Joel sucks so I'm not going to waste any of my sympathy on him. It's like how I certainly agreed with Aaron's ejection and I definitely think Sarah suuuuuucked in reaction to the ejection (oops let me edit her in as another Dishonorable Mention), but that doesn't make me like Joel any more.


re: Willow - if you're quoting a list that says at the bottom that some strategic decisions were made in creating that list, then of course it's not entirely accurate and subject to change a few months later. I found Willow to be pretty damn annoying and more often offensively boring than not, you clearly didn't. We all watched ~30 hours of episodes plus supplemental feeds footage. The people who like Willow after all that time certainly aren't going to change their views on her, and the people who don't give a **** about her certainly aren't going to either. There just comes a time where you let it go and move on.


re: Marc (and Helen) - I hate all the argued semantics behind whether or not someone's a bully, but Marc's hobbies consisted of calling women fat and ugly and slutty (even though he's a stripper himself and never wore pants), physically overpowering men and simulating sex acts on them, and shouting in men's faces and grinning in their faces when they were angry at behavior designed to anger them. It's supposedly all for banter and for the sake of being A Bloody Brilliant WUM, but is it really that when there needs to be a safe word involved? It all makes no sense.

I do agree that Helen and Marc are cut largely from the same cloth, but I do think that they carry themselves differently. I'll also say that the one think I will NEVER understand is how some people think that Marc turned into a bully when Helen came in. I didn't notice any difference in his behavior post-Helen and think he largely acted the same. I guess it all comes down to whether you think Marc's a generally nice guy who can occasionally be an asshole, or an overwhelming asshole who is occasionally capable of being nice.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I do agree that Helen and Marc are cut largely from the same cloth, but I do think that they carry themselves differently. I'll also say that the one think I will NEVER understand is how some people think that Marc turned into a bully when Helen came in. I didn't notice any difference in his behavior post-Helen and think he largely acted the same. I guess it all comes down to whether you think Marc's a generally nice guy who can occasionally be an asshole, or an overwhelming asshole who is occasionally capable of being nice.

I agree with this.

Both are vile people. They are just vile in different ways. Marc, although not as brash, hostile, and confrontational than Helen, had a nasty and provocative demeanor to his personality. And overall was just a disgusting human being and a pig.

[Dominic]

Where is Bruno tho. He is a vile sexist asshole, who was fumed by any girls existence, who was litteraly narrating 40% of the episodes with his **** confessionals. Steve and Austin were both gross in BB17 too. I would add Meg, but she's liked and idgi bc she was so ****ing dumb. The rest of your choices are great though.

<333333 at you not including Icon Ashleigh

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

BB3:
12 - Willow
11 - Pilar
6 - Bruno
5 - Zach
4 - Bobby
3 - Graig
2 - Kevin
1 - Jordan

Best believe there were some strategic decisions made :3

Also interesting to see how the Willow hatred is a more recent thing after seeing me and Luke really liking her. Surely a non-entity can't really age poorly, for that exact reason? Have opinions for the sake of opinions and not for the sake of trying to provoke certain people.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Raph

Also interesting to see how the Willow hatred is a more recent thing after seeing me and Luke really liking her. Surely a non-entity can't really age poorly, for that exact reason? Have opinions for the sake of opinions and not for the sake of trying to provoke certain people.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by SantaPooh

Originally Posted by Raph

Also interesting to see how the Willow hatred is a more recent thing after seeing me and Luke really liking her. Surely a non-entity can't really age poorly, for that exact reason? Have opinions for the sake of opinions and not for the sake of trying to provoke certain people.

No offense to either of you but I think most of us are intelligent enough to decide on our own criteria for who we like and who we dislike. Just because you like her doesn't mean we all automatically hate her Especially since most of us get along with the both of you.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Nareindeer

No offense to either of you but I think most of us are intelligent enough to decide on our own criteria for who we like and who we dislike. Just because you like her doesn't mean we all automatically hate her Especially since most of us get along with the both of you.

I agree. But Macie is not most of you. And I was only directing that at him. I don't see you as a collective, unless that's how you think people perceive it. I don't think you, for example, would alter your opinion to provoke another member.

In regards to gameplay I agree ashleigh merited her spot in the house more than Pilar; but she still was taken through most of the game thanks to her looks and showmance.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Raph

I agree. But Macie is not most of you. And I was only directing that at him. I don't see you as a collective, unless that's how you think people perceive it. I don't think you, for example, would alter your opinion to provoke another member.

In regards to gameplay I agree ashleigh merited her spot in the house more than Pilar; but she still was taken through most of the game thanks to her looks and showmance.

Oh it was just because you said "the Willow hatred" like it was a forum consensus or something

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Makosleigh

Still astonished Chloe somehow won

Originally Posted by Beyonsleigh

I know, the fact she went from being the previously popular female who gets randomly turned on by the public back to winning it around in 6 days was amazing

Originally Posted by Dasherleyne

Thank god. All the other finalists were dire

Chloe Winburn <33

[Pete.]

Still astonished Chloe somehow won

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Makosleigh

Still astonished Chloe somehow won

I know, the fact she went from being the previously popular female who gets randomly turned on by the public back to winning it around in 6 days was amazing

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by Makosleigh

Still astonished Chloe somehow won

Thank god. All the other finalists were dire

[Pete.]

Haz Azalea deserved #2

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Makosleigh

Haz Azalea deserved #2

Saggy Areola was robbed

[Dominic]

perched for spencer/tasha/savage in your dishonorable mentions

[reece(:]

Joel was vile and I don't wish to write about him anymore.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Joel was vile and I don't wish to write about him anymore.

[2]

[Lostie!]

I grew to like Marc.

[reece(:]

The only good thing about Marq was his friendship with Eileen, but that's probably her thing.

[Pete.]

The best thing about Marq was the (successful) campaign on here to get him out

[Lostie!]

I doubt he was evicted because of a TiBB campaign tbh, he was evicted because he was the definition of a marmite housemate and would have pulled in a high number of votes with both a VTE and a VTS.

[EspeonBB]

Some people are probably going to disagree but Marc and Helen are cut from the same cloth imo. Both vile bullies

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Dasherleyne

Some people are probably going to disagree but Marc and Helen are cut from the same cloth imo. Both vile bullies

I've seen this comparison a few times on here so those who'd disagree are likely the minority, but I'm one of them. I never saw Marc as being all that similar to Helen and I certainly didn't view him as a "bully" and this is one of the instances I feel that word is being used way too lightly.

I do understand some (well, many to be fair) of people's grievances with him and I'd never suggest he's a perfect human being, but definitely not a bully or anything close imo.

[Natalie.]

Originally Posted by Frostie!

I grew to like Marc.

Me too