[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't believe a child wandering off in a store is comparable to leaving 3 under 5s in an unlocked room. I thought the Paynes children were in the creche? They were all checking on the mc cann kids, there's no mention of anyone checking on any other children.

No, they were in their apartment also alone. However the Paynes had a baby monitor with them, which makes them slightly better than the other parents were...not much though

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No, they were in their apartment also alone. However the Paynes had a baby monitor with them, which makes them slightly better than the other parents were...not much though

Ah right thought there was some reason they didn't go to check them, yep I say that's pretty rubbish too :/

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't believe a child wandering off in a store is comparable to leaving 3 under 5s in an unlocked room. I thought the Paynes children were in the creche? They were all checking on the mc cann kids, there's no mention of anyone checking on any other children.

Clearly those kids shouldn't of been left and there's no excuse for what they did, but Paynes kids were also left in their rooms, not in the crèche and the reason the Paynes checked on the McCanns kids is, they had to pass their apartment on the way to checking their own kids. The Paynes kids were further away than Maddie and the twins.

In the case notes with all the witness statements, it says that someone was popping in every 20 minutes (which I appreciate isn't good enough). Mr Payne had checked prior to the next check when Maddie was found missing but he says in the statement that although he could see the twins in the cots, he didn't see Maddie because it was too dark and he just believed she was sleeping.

There is absolutely nothing in those case files that suggest Maddie was being given sedatives and yet the papers had a field day suggesting Maddies parents regularly drugged her.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes we are all experts and model parents in hindsight..

If you need hindsight to know that leaving children alone at night time is a bad idea then, yes, call me Supernanny.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree with you. The other couples who they met up with had also left their children unattended. I guess the difference between them and the McCann's is, the McCann's are the ones who have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.

It was a neglectful thing to do but we could also say that Jamie Bulgers mum was not properly watching her minor and allowed him to wander around outside the butchers whilst she had a natter.

Neither parent deserved what happened, one was careless, the others neglectful but persecuting someone who has not only lost their child but have absolutely no idea if she's alive or dead seams heartless to me.

I'm not persecuting anyone.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Clearly those kids shouldn't of been left and there's no excuse for what they did, but Paynes kids were also left in their rooms, not in the crèche and the reason the Paynes checked on the McCanns kids is, they had to pass their apartment on the way to checking their own kids. The Paynes kids were further away than Maddie and the twins.

In the case notes with all the witness statements, it says that someone was popping in every 20 minutes (which I appreciate isn't good enough). Mr Payne had checked prior to the next check when Maddie was found missing but he says in the statement that although he could see the twins in the cots, he didn't see Maddie because it was too dark and he just believed she was sleeping.

There is absolutely nothing in those case files that suggest Maddie was being given sedatives and yet the papers had a field day suggesting Maddies parents regularly drugged her.

What was the point of him checking if he walked away without physically seeing her useless

[Kizzy]

Too dark my ar*e...

[Z]

Do you think she'll keep the award in a locked room or just have one of her friends check on it every 20 minutes while she goes out to celebrate?

[Kizzy]

Kates advice, 'get a babysitter' thanks for stating the obvious, have an award.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Kates advice, 'get a babysitter' thanks for stating the obvious, have an award.

Shame she didn't take her own advice then maybe her daughter would be alive and well.

[chuff me dizzy]

Another case of people believing the red tops ,this is not a real award,its an award given to her by Stephen Winyard ,who is one of her financial backers, given to her to make her look good, further helped along by Lazzeri the Sun reporter who just happens to be Kates gym buddie

Winyard http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post27375.html#p27375

http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...eine/10740.htm

[chuff me dizzy]

Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-...-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-...-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!

[T*]

I don't read any of the sun anyway

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-...-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!Kate McCann groupie and gym buddy Antonella Lazzeri's toadying report in The Sun today makes no mention of the fact that the "award" is all PR, organised by wealthy McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns Stobo castle, as a few minutes' research would have revealed.
The Sun are acting as though it's some prestigious event but it's literally of no importance at all.
A mini-scam, on the top of the massive scam, heavily promoted by a paper declining in circulation, desperate to claw back money haemorrhaging now the Mail Online - who dared to print Katie Hopkins' critical and popular piece - leaves them behind.
The Evening Standard poll shows why this phoney "event" had to be promoted. The public have cast almost 10 thousand votes with 87% saying saying he McCanns should take more blame for Maddie's disappearance.
http://www.standard.co.uk/.../katie-...-sparks-online...
Quick - bury that bad news!

Thanks for that Chuff they must think all of the public are stupid,katie Hopkins love or loathe her was spot on with her take on it.imo.

[Nicky91]

well why didn't Kate get a babysitter, i guess they have enough money to afford a good babysitter


and she gets a medal for what?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well why didn't Kate get a babysitter, i guess they have enough money to afford a good babysitter


and she gets a medal for what?

They did not go out they eat in the hotel copmplex and with the 4 other couples went up to check on all the children every 30 mins, quite routine for many on holidays

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well why didn't Kate get a babysitter, i guess they have enough money to afford a good babysitter


and she gets a medal for what?

For not getting a babysitter

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

For not getting a babysitter

well if that's true than it's ridiculous


but this story with the McCann's is almost like JonBenet Ramsay, i don't know if you know that story

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They did not go out they eat in the hotel copmplex and with the 4 other couples went up to check on all the children every 30 mins, quite routine for many on holidays

It might well be routine for some but I think caring parents wouldn't do it if their child had a stomach upset (as was the case for one family) and if their child told them they woke up and was scared (Maddie), its actually beyond my comprehension.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well if that's true than it's ridiculous


but this story with the McCann's is almost like JonBenet Ramsay, i don't know if you know that story

Im going to google it Nicky

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Im going to google it Nicky

well JonBenet Ramsay was a child of wealthy parents, she did compete in child beauty pageants ( which i'm against as well )

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It might well be routine for some but I think caring parents wouldn't do it if their child had a stomach upset (as was the case for one family) and if their child told them they woke up and was scared (Maddie), its actually beyond my comprehension.

Other peoples lives often are difficult to comprehend but thats is because they are other people. I am sure if kate looked at your life she sould feel the same about some things you do.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Other peoples lives often are difficult to comprehend but thats is because they are other people. I am sure if kate looked at your life she sould feel the same about some things you do.

I'm one up though because I never lost a 3 year old on holiday

[Jessica.]

@Niamh

Okay so I asked my Portuguese boyfriend about this last night.

The story does get mentioned in the news from time to time but more rarely these days.

Most Portuguese people have two theories;
She really was abducted
OR
She died of an accident and the parents got rid of the body, possibly with the help of a friend.

There is also a long running stereotype that British people drug their children and leave them on their own so they can go out partying. When this case happened many people may not have been surprised with the mindset that something like that was bound to happen.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They did not go out they eat in the hotel copmplex and with the 4 other couples went up to check on all the children every 30 mins, quite routine for many on holidays

Neglect is McCanns alibi ,without it they could not claim abduction ....every night one member of tapas group was "ill" (even though none of these illness were reported to Warners )so the sick person was the babysitter ,all children in one apartment, the twins were not in 5a the night Maddie"disappeared "