[Kizzy]

I'm offended.

[Kizzy]

Giving this a little perspective, it is just the trust buildings he was prohibited from entering and due process was followed by management, witness statements and a meeting ( which he neglected to attend) he had ample chance to explain his version of events but chose not to.
He is still rightly entitled to free speech as network rail have stated the ban does not extend to the railway station in it's entirety, the issue was on trust property any therefore an issue for them and their codes of conduct alone.

All organisations have these, they are not a court of law therefore I don't understand the comparison.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Giving this a little perspective, it is just the trust buildings he was prohibited from entering and due process was followed by management, witness statements and a meeting ( which he neglected to attend) he had ample chance to explain his version of events but chose not to.
He is still rightly entitled to free speech as network rail have stated the ban does not extend to the railway station in it's entirety, the issue was on trust property any therefore an issue for them and their codes of conduct alone.

All organisations have these, they are not a court of law therefore I don't understand the comparison.

Exactly. Like I said, there are PLENTY of opinions that I express on here / when socialising with friends that I wouldn't come out with at work... because even if it is to a friend / colleague there's always the risk of being overheard and I could face disciplinary action. That part has nothing to do with whats legal or moral... ... ... when you work for a company or organisation, paid or not, whilst on duty you are a representative of that organisation and you have to watch what you say. What is or isn't appropriate is fully down to that organisation. Simple as that.

[Livia]

No one knows the whole truth, that's all the perspective that's needed. In my opinion it's been a massive waste of time and money.

How many times have I been called names? Everything from a Zionist up to a filthy Jew. I don't look typically Jewish so I've really got off lightly compared to friends and family members experiences in the past. I've been called names and abused on this forum... several times. I reported it once when it just got too strong and that was years ago. If everyone who is aggrieved starts demanding procedures and witness statements the only good that will come out of it, lawyers will make more money. So... double-edged sword, really.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one knows the whole truth, that's all the perspective that's needed. In my opinion it's been a massive waste of time and money.

How many times have I been called names? Everything from a Zionist up to a filthy Jew. I don't look typically Jewish so I've really got off lightly compared to friends and family members experiences in the past. I've been called names and abused on this forum... several times. I reported it once when it just got too strong and that was years ago. If everyone who is aggrieved starts demanding procedures and witness statements the only good that will come out of it, lawyers will make more money. So... double-edged sword, really.

Nobody has made any money...there were no courts or lawyers involved :/
You are intent on expressing this as a legal issue and it really isn't.

There is a report feature on here, if you are offensive you are banned...same as the trust in effect.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody has made any money...there were no courts or lawyers involved :/
You are intent on expressing this as a legal issue and it really isn't.

There is a report feature on here, if you are offensive you are banned...same as the trust in effect.

I actually heard that LT is suing over the SD ban

[Livia]

How simple the legal system would be if all cases could be cut and dried with so little information.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The guy is a retired volunteer who winds clocks. He got a letter sayhing eh was banned, job done. Then this so called Trust want him to come in a face some fecking panel?

are you mad, of course he thinks feck you. Its laughable the whole thing, some jumped up trust twats playing at politics and feeling all important

Let them pay for a new clock winder and lose money.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The guy is a retired volunteer who winds clocks. He got a letter sayhing eh was banned, job done. Then this so called Trust want him to come in a face some fecking panel?

are you mad, of course he thinks feck you. Its laughable the whole thing, some jumped up trust twats playing at politics and feeling all important

Let them pay for a new clock winder and lose money.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

All because he uttered some so called "racism" whilst winding up some so called "clock"

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All because he uttered some so called "racism" whilst winding up some so called "clock"

actually you are quite right

he said something negative about economic migrants and the "new outraged left" cried racism as they seem to now do if such a subject is broached

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All because he uttered some so called "racism" whilst winding up some so called "clock"

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The guy is a retired volunteer who winds clocks. He got a letter sayhing eh was banned, job done. Then this so called Trust want him to come in a face some fecking panel?
.

Obviously an openly racist guy shouldnt be working for your company, we can all agree there
The question is, was he racist? We can all presume yes, but cant know for sure. A fecking panel is a chance for him to defend himself should he want to do so. I'd imagine all innocent people would like to clear their name from such a horrific label. I'd imagine most guilty people would hide in knowing they got away leniently.
Is there an update? Did he face the panel? It would be pretty telling and conclusive for me. We're left to believe he didnt bother with the panel are we?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

Is there an update? Did he face the panel? It would be pretty telling and conclusive for me. We're left to believe he didnt bother with the panel are we?

I think the suggestion was that he was too offended by the accusation.

I think they call that irony...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the suggestion was that he was too offended by the accusation.

I think they call that irony...

I really don't want to conclude on so little information, but he hasn't done much to convince anybody otherwise. Most non–racist people accused of racism would be upset id imagine, and love a chance to apologise for the misunderstanding. This guy is happy leaving things as they are? Who does that?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Withano

I really don't want to conclude on so little information, but he hasn't done much to convince anybody otherwise. Most non–racist people accused of racism would be upset id imagine, and love a chance to apologise for the misunderstanding. This guy is happy leaving things as they are? Who does that?

A volunteer who winds a clock once a day?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the suggestion was that he was too offended by the accusation.

I think they call that irony...

[Kizzy]

Bliddy clocks.. comin in ere tekkin are jobs, tekkin are wimmin!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Bliddy clocks.. comin in ere tekkin are jobs, tekkin are wimmin!

Send them back. Damn tick-tocks, they're only after benefits anyway.

[jennyjuniper]

Oh for f...s sake. I am so sick of people being 'offended' by a remark. I don't know whether what this guy said was racist or not, but he has a right to an opinion. So long as he's not threatening someone with death (like those hate preachers in nighties) then he has a right to voice an opinion.THIS is what has brought Britain to it's knees. Weak assed people who are so scared to be seen to be doing the wrong thing, that they do nothing at all. Which is why so many scum in Britain got away with (and presumably still do) of ,olesting and abusing children.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Oh for f...s sake. I am so sick of people being 'offended' by a remark. I don't know whether what this guy said was racist or not, but he has a right to an opinion. So long as he's not threatening someone with death (like those hate preachers in nighties) then he has a right to voice an opinion.THIS is what has brought Britain to it's knees. Weak assed people who are so scared to be seen to be doing the wrong thing, that they do nothing at all. Which is why so many scum in Britain got away with (and presumably still do) of ,olesting and abusing children.

He has a right to voice his opinion, just as someone else has the right to be offended, and the train station has the right to refuse him access to certain areas. Free speech works both ways, you can say what you want, but people wont always agree with you.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Chewy

He has a right to voice his opinion, just as someone else has the right to be offended, and the train station has the right to refuse him access to certain areas. Free speech works both ways, you can say what you want, but people wont always agree with you.

I don't expect people to always agree with me. That's where I and snowflakes differ. They expect that their thoughts and feelings are the only ones that matter, whereas I couldn't give a flying f... what anybody thinks.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I don't expect people to always agree with me. That's where I and snowflakes differ. They expect that their thoughts and feelings are the only ones that matter, whereas I couldn't give a flying f... what anybody thinks.

Tbh Jenny, theres nothing snowflakier than being offended at someone elses offence. Sounds like you have a lot in common with said snowflakes.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Tbh Jenny, theres nothing snowflakier than being offended at someone elses offence. Sounds like you have a lot in common with said snowflakes.

Sounds like you identify well with snowflakes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Oh for f...s sake. I am so sick of people being 'offended' by a remark. I don't know whether what this guy said was racist or not, but he has a right to an opinion. So long as he's not threatening someone with death (like those hate preachers in nighties) then he has a right to voice an opinion.THIS is what has brought Britain to it's knees. Weak assed people who are so scared to be seen to be doing the wrong thing, that they do nothing at all. Which is why so many scum in Britain got away with (and presumably still do) of ,olesting and abusing children.

Again, when he's working for someone else, paid or voluntary, he quite simply ****ing doesn't have the right to "voice his opinion" if he wants to keep his place there.

Have you ever had a job? Seriously?