[DemolitionRed]

She's still standing as an independent. She has more chance of swinging the vote in her favour doing this.

[Braden]

Interesting. That is actually a very good idea on her behalf.

[UserSince2005]

Devoed, she was a heroine.

[Wizard.]

Good move on Le Pens part, it looks kind of shifty though but it's good for her to rid herself of the Front National 'racist' view

[Deirdre]

Macron has zero experience in politics... the guy has a degree in philosophy. France is screwed if either gets in.

[Livia]

There's a huge "Anyone But Macron" campaign going on right now.... and Le Pen has stepped down as leader of her party, just like De Gaulle did. Either of these people getting in is a terrifying thought...

[Deirdre]

I'd be very surprised if Le Pen doesn't get in

[Kizzy]

Yes,with fascists running the UK and the US the more the merrier.....

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes,with fascists running the UK and the US the more the merrier.....

And what fascists are they then, is that anyone on the opposite side of the political spectrum to yourself? Anyone who isn't a leftie ..... snore

If PC isn't facist I don't know what is. PC is the biggest facist of all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And what fascists are they then, is that anyone on the opposite side of the political spectrum to yourself? Anyone who isn't a leftie ..... snore

If PC isn't facist I don't know what is.

I'll ignore the bating. I was referring to May and her ministers.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'll ignore the bating. I was referring to May and her ministers.

At least she is a lot less likely to get us all killed. Corbyn puts us all at risk with his incredibly naive, reckless and idealistic desire to get rid of our nuclear protection. Yet again he demonstrates how blind and all consuming ideology can be. This view makes him dangerous.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

At least she is a lot less likely to get us all killed. Corbyn puts us all at risk with his incredibly naive, reckless and idealistic desire to get rid of our nuclear protection. Yet again he demonstrates how blind and all consuming ideology can be. This view makes him dangerous.

The only ideology the tories have in war and death.... where are the policies for the living and the future?

Ramping up the fear of an attack only creates a nation in a state of high anxiety thus easier to manipulate to their will.

'WE HAVE TO DO THIS!! THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!!'

That's dangerous.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And what fascists are they then, is that anyone on the opposite side of the political spectrum to yourself? Anyone who isn't a leftie ..... snore

If PC isn't facist I don't know what is. PC is the biggest facist of all.

Educate yourself.

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[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Educate yourself.

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If your views are education - no thanks.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If your views are education - no thanks.

Ah well if you're going to let your personal prejudices cloud your judgement there's no helping you. This image is from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

[Deirdre]

France is in an absolute dire state. I'm not sure if anybody can save it, so guess it makes no difference

[Withano]

[Northern Monkey]

Everyone quoting Brillos post and totally ignoring the very first sentence....

'If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded.'

Context anyone?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Everyone quoting Brillos post and totally ignoring the very first sentence....

'If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded.'

Context anyone?

Isn't that just stating the bleeding obvious? To get some context examine what was said after that sentence also.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Isn't that just stating the bleeding obvious? To get some context examine what was said after that sentence also.

Everyone has already examined what was said after with great interest.
However the first sentence adds context to and sets the tone for the rest of the post.
Anyone can embolden a tiny part of somebody's post and take it out of context.Abit like when the media cuts snippets out of a politician or celebrities interview and makes it mean what they want it to.
One of the first things she said was 'EVERY RACE'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Everyone has already examined what was said after with great interest.
However the first sentence adds context to and sets the tone for the rest of the post.
Anyone can embolden a tiny part of somebody's post and take it out of context.Abit like when the media cuts snippets out of a politician or celebrities interview and makes it mean what they want it to.
One of the first things she said was 'EVERY RACE'

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

She was using black and Asian countries as a comparison to Britain.
She didn't say that white people don't murder anyone.You only have to look at murder figures to show that what she stated is a fact.
African,Asian,Arab countries have much higher murder rates than Britain.I don't even need to google murder rates to know this is fact.
Even in the US 13% of the population are responsible for 52% of murders.You don't have to be racist or to be saying 'black people are savages' to recognise this.
Hiding from the truth to look 'progressive' is wait for it........


Political correctness

And it solves nothing.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

Again you are presenting your interpretation of my words as fact. Your perception is not beyond critique. The point I was making is that you are always denegrating Britain and British culture, despite the fact is has taken in a lot of people from other cultures who have made it their home. It also gives a lot in foreign aid.

When you constantly make remarks about its history implying or conviently ignoring that other cultures/races don't have a similar history you can't complain when others challenge that perception - facts say differently.

There are still similar issues still going on in certain parts of the world today or are we not allowed to mention that. Fact is fact - you can't just ignore that or shut people down with shouts of racism. You then tried to compare the violence and lawlessness going on in such countries with life here when there is clearly no comparison. You then interpret that as racism and superiority when yet again that is your opinion not fact. You really will only see what you want to which is your right, but it is not your right to attempt to twist my words and shut me down with such infantile allegations.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Mocking? I asked, Withano and Dezzy also queried your wording in your post as it made distinct reference to ethnicity, the lines have been blurred as to whether your accusation was to those at home or abroad.

I will try one final time, are you in your post presuming you are focusing on the UK suggesting that White people in the present no longer rape or murder?

Frankly that is what I and seemingly others took from that statement, can you explain why I am wrong in thinking that is what you meant?

And others supported mine. So that comment proves what?

That second paragraph again isn't clear but I will repeat what I have already said that there are still issues of lawlessness (including rape and murder) in other parts of the world that can't be compared to the UK. Is that untrue? Of course people rape and murder in the UK, I never said differently, just not on the same scale, in part due to the consequences to them - fairer laws here protect against it, partly do to education and belief systems.

For instance a white man could rape a black woman and, if proven, would be convicted. There would be no discrimination. Rape of women isn't even recognised in certain parts of the world - there is no such protection. How can you possibly make any comparisons - it makes no sense, just as your one-sided criticism of Britain's 'violent' history makes no sense.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And others supported mine. So that comment proves what?

That second paragraph again isn't clear but I will repeat what I have already said that there are still issues of lawlessness (including rape and murder) in other parts of the world that can't be compared to the UK. Is that untrue? Of course people rape and murder in the UK, I never said differently, just not on the same scale, in part due to the consequences to them - fairer laws here protect against it, partly do to education and belief systems.

For instance a white man could rape a black woman and, if proven, would be convicted. There would be no discrimination. Rape of women isn't even recognised in certain parts of the world - there is no such protection. How can you possibly make any comparisons - it makes no sense, just as your one-sided criticism of Britain makes no sense.

Your disjointed post makes no sense, this explanation does nothing to address the issues raised by your initial comment.