[Jase.]

We have a homophobic apologist in the house!

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

We have a homophobic apologist in the house!

I apologize for nothing.

What I have tried to do is give an understanding as to why John has his opinions and thoughts.

And ask for tolerance, that's all.

[Ant.]

Like... I think everyone here knows and understands that John didn't exactly grow up in a time where gay people are seen on telly as equal to straight people... I think everyone acknowledges that John was raised in a time where homophobia (can I use that word or is that a 'label' ) was a lot more prominent... and if they didn't then John already explained that he was later on in the show. But just because he was conditioned to be told that was acceptable, doesn't mean what he says can be excused?? His upbringing provides reason as to why he's homophobic, it doesn't excuse it. And I'll call him homophobic because that's what he was and that's what he admitted to being

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Like... I think everyone here knows and understands that John didn't exactly grow up in a time where gay people are seen on telly as equal to straight people... I think everyone acknowledges that John was raised in a time where homophobia (can I use that word or is that a 'label' ) was a lot more prominent... and if they didn't then John already explained that he was later on in the show. But just because he was conditioned to be told that was acceptable, doesn't mean what he says can be excused?? His upbringing provides reason as to why he's homophobic, it doesn't excuse it. And I'll call him homophobic because that's what he was and that's what he admitted to being

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Like... I think everyone here knows and understands that John didn't exactly grow up in a time where gay people are seen on telly as equal to straight people... I think everyone acknowledges that John was raised in a time where homophobia (can I use that word or is that a 'label' ) was a lot more prominent... and if they didn't then John already explained that he was later on in the show. But just because he was conditioned to be told that was acceptable, doesn't mean what he says can be excused?? His upbringing provides reason as to why he's homophobic, it doesn't excuse it. And I'll call him homophobic because that's what he was and that's what he admitted to being

An excellent post There's an old saying of mine to describe what he was like tonight; It might explain his actions but it doesn't excuse them.

[Amy Jade]

I think blaming his awful views on being of the older generation is nonsensical when we have an 82 year old lesbian and a 69 year old gay man in the house.

John's view is homophobic and that's that, there should be no petty excuses for his mindset.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I think blaming his awful views on being of the older generation is nonsensical when we have an 82 year old lesbian and a 69 year old gay man in the house.

John's view is homophobic and that's that, there should be no petty excuses for his mindset.

[poppsywoppsy]

Isn't it down to a culture thing too. There are a lot of older men who think like him.
It is not nonsensical at all.
They do not speak about it because the PC brigade would be down on them, as they have been on John.

He doesn't have to be around anyone he doesn't want to be, straight or Gay.

Amanda and Wayne are not who he was talking about. He was speaking of Shane J who is vastly different in the way he chooses to be from Amanda and Wayne.

As he doesn't do anything untoward to anyone, he should be able to think and live how he chooses.

[rusticgal]

I knew something like this would happen given time. John Barnes has kept a cap on it so far...I have said it all along. For someone who is so outspoken on racism and discrimination in football...he has shown his true colours and shown himself to be a complete twat and a hypocrite.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Isn't it down to a culture thing too. There are a lot of older men who think like him.
It is not nonsensical at all.
They do not speak about it because the PC brigade would be down on them, as they have been on John.

He doesn't have to be around anyone he doesn't want to be, straight or Gay.

Amanda and Wayne are not who he was talking about. He was speaking of Shane J who is vastly different in the way he chooses to be from Amanda and Wayne.

More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Think also about what he (and you in defending him) are implying about Shane J
as that is another major issue in what you are saying here.

[odd sock]

[QUOTE=Garfie;9807938]More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Exactly what I thought, imagine if a housemate said to John they were uncomfortable around black people, folks would be madly waving the race card and demanding they be removed from the house and they more than likely would be, faster than their feet could touch the ground but John is homophobic and gets away with it ... double standards

[Paula D]

[QUOTE=odd sock;9808752]

Originally Posted by Garfie

More excuses. Insert the word 'black' where you have 'gay', and then ask yourself whether such views should be excused. Perhaps John should do the same.

Exactly what I thought, imagine if a housemate said to John they were uncomfortable around black people, folks would be madly waving the race card and demanding they be removed from the house and they more than likely would be, faster than their feet could touch the ground but John is homophobic and gets away with it ... double standards

That's a fair point.

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[poppsywoppsy]

So, you are saying he has to change his views.

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

It makes him uncomfortable, That was the gist of his conversation.

Due to the fact of his upbringing.

If others do want this, go ahead, no one is stopping you, he doesn't want it or care if they do.

But, he mustn't say it out loud or he will be called names.

I find intolerant blinkered PC just as bad as anything he is accused of.

[Garfie]

[QUOTE=poppsywoppsy;9807960

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

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Exactly!

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Exactly!

That is his right. He does not have to be.

You cannot make him

This is a free country

You will never convert anyone to your views by calling them names either.

Try some tolerance and you might get somewhere, bashing. People over the head with your views will not.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

That is his right. He does not have to be.

You cannot make him

This is a free country

You will never convert anyone to your views by calling them names either.

Try some tolerance and you might get somewhere, bashing. People over the head with your views will not.

1. Perhaps you have, but I have not called anyone a name.
2. Homophobia is as wrong as racism is, and John would be against racism.
3. You sat 'try some tolerance'! Can you not see the irony in such a comment!!?
4. You are missing the point.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Garfie

1. Perhaps you have, but I have not called anyone a name.
2. Homophobia is as wrong as racism is, and John would be against racism.
3. You sat 'try some tolerance'! Can you not see the irony in such a comment!!?
4. You are missing the point.

I am not missing the point at all, good discussion BTW

So, in fact you are saying John has to be in the company of gay men who might proposition him, although he doesn't want to be because if he doesn't, he is homophobic.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Garfie

1. Perhaps you have, but I have not called anyone a name.
2. Homophobia is as wrong as racism is, and John would be against racism.
3. You sat 'try some tolerance'! Can you not see the irony in such a comment!!?
4. You are missing the point.

So surely Andrew is transphobe then for calling India a "prick"? according to people's thoughts on here .
And Daniel is also HOMOPHOBIC for calling the girls "lesbians" as a joke ? .

And surely some of the hm's are sexist as they think men and women should have their stereotypical roles?.

People need to fight real prejudice and stop scrutinising jokes on a reality show .

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So, you are saying he has to change his views.

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

It makes him uncomfortable, That was the gist of his conversation.

Due to the fact of his upbringing.

If others do want this, go ahead, no one is stopping you, he doesn't want it or care if they do.

But, he mustn't say it out loud or he will be called names.

I find intolerant blinkered PC just as bad as anything he is accused of.

What im getting at is his comment that Andrew would be invited to his party outside the house as long as he didn't sleep with Shane j....how do you even defend that comment?

Neither of the boys have come on to John so that is john himself thinking homosexuality is wrong and pretty much thinking they will prey on him like a gay version of "wrong turn"!

A note to John neither of them men want to jump on you.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

What im getting at is his comment that Andrew would be invited to his party outside the house as long as he didn't sleep with Shane j....how do you even defend that comment?

Neither of the boys have come on to John so that is john himself thinking homosexuality is wrong and pretty much thinking they will prey on him like a gay version of "wrong turn"!

A note to John neither of them men want to jump on you.

What he said was not personal to anyone in the house. It was a general observation of his life previously.

I can see both sides of this, blinkered I am not. Some on here should get off their high horse and try to see that there is still a long way to go with the older generation than they think.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

What he said was not personal to anyone in the house. It was a general observation of his life previously.

I can see both sides of this, blinkered I am not. Some on here should get off their high horse and try to see that there is still a long way to go with the older generation than they think.

The older generation though? Johns generation was the evolution of gay people back in the 80's. Frankie goes to hollywood, boy George, george Michael, Rock Hudson.

He's just a product of his time and won't change...he thinks gays are wrong and he can put on a smile and pretend he's fine with it to a point but cmon uninviting someone to his house because he may have slept with someone of the same gender is ****ed up.

It's straight up homophobia.

It seems we have gone backwards in such issues as the 80's were far more open minded as were the 90's. Seems a shame that it was people just keeping up appearances.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

The older generation though? Johns generation was the evolution of gay people back in the 80's. Frankie goes to hollywood, boy George, george Michael, Rock Hudson.

He's just a product of his time and won't change...he thinks gays are wrong and he can put on a smile and pretend he's fine with it to a point but cmon uninviting someone to his house because he may have slept with someone of the same gender is ****ed up.

It's straight up homophobia.

I didn't watch but I'm assuming John was joking,and maybe like a lot of us He's sick and tired of Andrew & Shane J's showmance .

Andrew is immature AF and maybe John can see through his BS ,so I doubt John would really want him at his party, it feels like people like to witch hunt and accuse others of prejudice too easily .

By that logic a few hm's have said sexist and daft comments.

What about Ann?? & Daniel??.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So, you are saying he has to change his views.

He said, he didn't want to be hit on, propositioned or in the company of gay men where it might happen.

It makes him uncomfortable, That was the gist of his conversation.

Due to the fact of his upbringing.

If others do want this, go ahead, no one is stopping you, he doesn't want it or care if they do.

But, he mustn't say it out loud or he will be called names.

I find intolerant blinkered PC just as bad as anything he is accused of.

'Blinkered'!? There's an irony there!

[GoldHeart]

Yeah because if John was a homophobic he'd really watch Shane J showing them how he tucks his little self away when he drags up . John wouldn't spend time or be near Shane J if he was prejudice. He was even patient with India.

Pretty sure most of the blokey blokes in the house will make jokes,Daniel & Jonny take the pee out of Courtney all the time and even laugh at the ridiculous showmance with Andrew.
And people accused Andrew of being Transphobe just because he called India a "prick", this over sensitive PC world is honestly a mess .

People like to throw "homophobic" around too easily. Surely that means Ann is as well then?? or maybe it's okay because she's a little old lady .Get real people .

Didn't Daniel throw a gay slur at the girls??? . But I guess because he's a arsehole comedian it's okay.

[Ant.]

Let's not act as if people haven't had an issue with Ann and Daniel