[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Glasgow was the murder capital of europe for a long time. I grew up and lived there at that time, went to all the popular night spots, never had a problem, never saw a problem. These things tend to be very, very localised. It's not to say there isn't a problem, there is, but not compared to the miles of streets there are in any particular city.

Stop and search would surely improve things. New York has been very tough on crime, zero tolerance has ruled the day and it gets results. Do people have the courage to take the same approach here? I doubt it.

LT will be devastated

[DemolitionRed]

We still have stop and search police patrolling London.

The Mayor has been very vocal about these things for some time. This article was written in January https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8152371.html and this one was written a few days ago: https://news.sky.com/story/man-in-hi...bbing-11317084

He's been grappling with the government for some time about the £millions removed from the police budget but it appears the government lack interest and won't even give him an audience. The major can't do this all on his own. The government need to recognize the problem and assist him in finding solutions.

May has dropped 21,500 police officers in the UK since 2010 That's one in four in places like Hackney and includes cuts of 1,157 armed police officers in London. She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles.
The Metropolitan police have also been severely hit by lack of government funding. According to the institute of fiscal spending, central government spending on police has dropped by 14 percent.

Even with last the last election promise of £143 million extra police budget for an extra 1,500 armed police, figures show that money only funds an extra 1,000 officers and that doesn't even cover the decline in armed police since 2010

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles.

To be fair, there's a slight difference between knife crime and homegrown domestic terrorism.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair, there's a slight difference between knife crime and homegrown domestic terrorism.

Yes there is but do you think more police officers are needed in certain parts of London?
Do you believe the government needs to take more responsibility for this?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes there is but do you think more police officers are needed in certain parts of London?
Do you believe the government needs to take more responsibility for this?

We should have more police on the streets, particularly in certain areas of East and South London, with stop and search powers, complaints be damned.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We still have stop and search police patrolling London.

The Mayor has been very vocal about these things for some time. This article was written in January https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8152371.html and this one was written a few days ago: https://news.sky.com/story/man-in-hi...bbing-11317084

He's been grappling with the government for some time about the £millions removed from the police budget but it appears the government lack interest and won't even give him an audience. The major can't do this all on his own. The government need to recognize the problem and assist him in finding solutions.

May has dropped 21,500 police officers in the UK since 2010 That's one in four in places like Hackney and includes cuts of 1,157 armed police officers in London. She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles.
The Metropolitan police have also been severely hit by lack of government funding. According to the institute of fiscal spending, central government spending on police has dropped by 14 percent.

Even with last the last election promise of £143 million extra police budget for an extra 1,500 armed police, figures show that money only funds an extra 1,000 officers and that doesn't even cover the decline in armed police since 2010

Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding.

There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here!

This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding.

There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here!

This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it?

Good point.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Mayor visited any of the communities where the stabbings are taking place, have you Red?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good point.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Mayor visited any of the communities where the stabbings are taking place, have you Red?

I haven't read that he visited the places where the people where murdered but, much as I don't like Khan, he has been very vocal about rising crime in London. He brought about a significant increase in 'stop and search' in January of this year. He's targeted specific areas in London with extra policing and video cameras and he's heavily criticized central government for demanding the police prop up their spending with their council tax allowance.

Sadiq Khan has probably been the most pro-active contributor in all of this mess and so I refuse to hang draw and quarter him if he didn't visit the places where these people were murdered.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding.

And how will that resolve the issue. Yes? we can all just use blame and do nothing or we can do something.

There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here!

There you go, you just sorted out the problem all on your own. Well done you!!

This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it?

Once again... sorted.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And how will that resolve the issue. Yes? we can all just use blame and do nothing or we can do something.



There you go, you just sorted out the problem all on your own. Well done you!!



Once again... sorted.

Maybe it would be if people did not keep refusing to address the real problem rather than jumping on their political bandwagon at every opportunity and diverting attention away from the real issues.

So your answer is to get the government to spend more and more on policing crime, that comes from our taxes, rather than rooting out the rotten apples and dealing with them in the first place - not getting bogged down with ridiculous ‘human rights’ such as cell sizes and allowing dangerous criminals out on the streets rather than being put in a cell considered ‘too small’. Oh but we can’t have that - it is not PC.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe it would be if people did not keep refusing to address the real problem rather than jumping on their political bandwagon at every opportunity and diverting attention away from the real issues.

You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes.

So your answer is to get the government to spend more and more on policing crime

It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree?

that comes from our taxes.

That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work.

rather than rooting out the rotten apples and dealing with them in the first place.

How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now?

not getting bogged down with ridiculous ‘human rights’ such as cell sizes and allowing dangerous criminals out on the streets rather than being put in a cell considered ‘too small’. Oh but we can’t have that - it is not PC.

Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime?

[DemolitionRed]

So any suggestions for trying to solve this problem?

[DemolitionRed]

And there was me believing lawyers spent their careers enforcing human rights!!

So lets look at The Human Rights Act. An act that had to conform with EU legislation. Clearly this terrible act is not all to do with criminals.

The right to life.
The prohibition of torture and inhuman treatment.
Protection against slavery and forced labour.
The right to liberty and freedom unless you commit a criminal act.
The right to a fair trial and no punishment without law.
Respect for privacy and family life and the right to marry.
Freedom of thought, religion and belief.
Free speech and peaceful protest.
No discrimination.
Protection of property: protects against state interference with your possessions.
The right to an education.
The right to free elections.

[user104658]

The right to flea erections.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The right to flea erections.

I LURVE YOU you nutter.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The right to flea erections.

hehe!

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...report-reveals
Government cuts to the police “may have encouraged” violent offenders and have “likely contributed” to a rise in serious violent crime, leaked Home Office documents have revealed.

The documents cast doubt on claims by the home secretary, Amber Rudd, on Sunday that cuts to the police were not to blame for rising violence.

The Home Office said it would not comment on leaked documents.

[Mystic Mock]

If there is cuts being made to the Police then sadly I do think that it makes it easier for people to commit crimes as they think that they'll get away with it sadly.

I think that we need more Prisons built as well so that criminals aren't being let out on the streets again because our Prisons are "full."