[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean, it is. The OP raises an interesting question, and nobody has been close to discussing that for 50-odd posts. Shame really.

yes, it's gone off topic but it's still recoverable and people are still willing to discuss without dramz

[Kazanne]

I don't find religion a problem per-se , it's how people respond and act upon it that is the problem imo, I was brought up as a Christian , and do believe in something else ,something higher as in God , I do get ridiculed for it sometimes,but I really don't care ,it's my choice, I don't care what others believe in either ,that is also their choice, but when people take religion and use it to oppress and hurt others then ,they are a problem.

[AnnieK]

Religion and religious beliefs bring great peace and comfort to some. I really dont understand the need for some people to ridicule and mock people of faith.

Some people use religion to excuse and explain atrocities as though they were carrying out some greater orders.

I don't agree with pushing religion onto children, my parent's (neither of whom ever attend church) were really pissed off that I didn't have.my some christened but I said he should choose as and when he wants to get christened. He may want to follow another religion, he may want to become a jedi and when he decides that he can do it.

I believe Jesus was a very religious man of his time. Son of god, born if a virgin....Not so much but I remain open minded and respect people's wishes to believe that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Religion and religious beliefs bring great peace and comfort to some. I really dont understand the need for some people to ridicule and mock people of faith.

Some people use religion to excuse and explain atrocities as though they were carrying out some greater orders.

I don't agree with pushing religion onto children, my parent's (neither of whom ever attend church) were really pissed off that I didn't have.my some christened but I said he should choose as and when he wants to get christened. He may want to follow another religion, he may want to become a jedi and when he decides that he can do it.

I believe Jesus was a very religious man of his time. Son of god, born if a virgin....Not so much but I remain open minded and respect people's wishes to believe that.

I think because people see so many bad examples of religion or what they "think" is religion it makes them ignorant .

Of course there's always wolves in sheep clothing ,and dishonest corruption but it's ridiculous to put everyone in the same box .

The crazy fanatics are always the ones who get air time as well .

But yeah as I was saying the normal average person in religion is just minding their own business getting on with things ,and are peaceful .

Nothing wrong with a healthy debate,but I don't understand why people mock take the p is s out of religion .

As I've said I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't make fun of it

[Twosugars]

LT, abuse in Catholic Church was more than anywhere else because there's celibacy. Celibacy was not invented by Jesus or Old Testament. It was added later, by people.
I don't see why Jesus should be blamed for that and Jesus is the topic of your thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

LT, abuse in Catholic Church was more than anywhere else because there's celibacy. Celibacy was not invented by Jesus or Old Testament. It was added later, by people.
I don't see why Jesus should be blamed for that and Jesus is the topic of your thread.

I dont think anyone is blaming Jesus, why do you say that?

The fault lies in a cult that is based on hideous lies and abuse of power

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think anyone is blaming Jesus, why do you say that?

The fault lies in a cult that is based on hideous lies and abuse of power

I get confused. We're moving all over the place with this convo: Jesus, later doctrinal additions, Islam, church as institution, geopolitics...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I get confused. We're moving all over the place with this convo: Jesus, later doctrinal additions, Islam, church as institution, geopolitics...

its the insidious nature of religion. the whole thing is based on lies so its no surprise

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think anyone is blaming Jesus, why do you say that?

The fault lies in a cult that is based on hideous lies and abuse of power

All kinds of people abuse their power that's pretty evident . Which is what I've been saying.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

All kinds of people abuse their power that's pretty evident . Which is what I've been saying.

and?

[Twosugars]

You're simplifying too much, LT. I'm with GoldHeart on this

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You're simplifying too much, LT. I'm with GoldHeart on this

LT isn't making sense

Like I said if a teacher is doing illegal stuff ,are we going to tar every school and teacher with the same brush ?.

And some Athiests force their opinions on other and they are argumentative , just because others have religion .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

LT isn't making sense

Like I said if a teacher is doing illegal stuff ,are we going to tar every school and teacher with the same brush ?.

And some Athiests force their opinions on other and they are argumentative , just because others have religion .

No one including myself has said that abuse is only in religion

I dont know what you are railing against

You seem to be saying that just because abuse of children occurs else where we should somehow dismiss it

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one including myself has said that abuse is only in religion

I dont know what you are railing against

You seem to be saying that just because abuse of children occurs else where we should somehow dismiss it

Stop twisting things
I never said we should dismiss it . You were the one acting like Religion is abuse , which is not true .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Stop twisting things
I never said we should dismiss it . You were the one acting like Religion is abuse , which is not true .

Of course its abuse

Do you not consider lying to children to make them feel guilty abuse?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

LT isn't making sense

Like I said if a teacher is doing illegal stuff ,are we going to tar every school and teacher with the same brush ?.

And some Athiests force their opinions on other and they are argumentative , just because others have religion .

Agree.

It'd be better if we concentrated on Jesus and early Christianity as the OP suggests. Other issues should be discussed elsewhere.

[montblanc]

we stan a king

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by montblanc

we stan a king

Christ? Or LT?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Christ? Or LT?

if LT can walk on water then him too

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by montblanc

if LT can walk on water then him too

I love him but he's sinking fast on this thread.

[user104658]

I don't actually disagree with LT to be fair. Abuse is probably too strong a word but I am in total agreement that the indoctrination of children into any religion as "truth" is 100% wrong.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't actually disagree with LT to be fair. Abuse is probably too strong a word but I am in total agreement that the indoctrination of children into any religion as "truth" is 100% wrong.

Children can lose faith later on for a variety of reasons, as I eventually did.

The only problem I have is with those who use their religion to commit awful crimes - which happens. Otherwise I have no issue, and certainly wouldn't waste my time belittling something that doesn't concern me.

Edit: That last bit wasn't directed at you, TS

[Denver]

Mary is a slaggy slag Jesus was a laddy lad he should have just got with Betty

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Mary is a slaggy slag Jesus was a laddy lad he should have just got with Betty

Mary was his mother, not his wife.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Mary was his mother, not his wife.

Forgive him, Marsh, for he knows not what he sayeth.