[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think he was already there when he was diagnosed, he didn't travel there already ill or anything, but it was definitely after the advice not to go to holiday homes had been released (because we had already cancelled our pre-booked holiday in the highlands). And the fact that he came down with Covid while he was there and probably did have it before he travelled is exactly WHY you're not supposed to travel even if well. There's a very good chance he infected at least some of the Balmoral staff .

But no one has had more than a passing word to say about that, whereas the CMO going to her holiday house has had her branded a selfish demon and forced to resign. I'm actually not even saying she didn't make a stupid decision or didn't deserve to be chastised for it... I'm just wondering why Charlie gets a pass. Well, I'm not wondering why, really we all know why (he's first-tier royalty, and he's male) ... I'm just irked by it.

Imagine it was Meghan Markle

Charles wasn't the face of a TV advertising campaign saying not to travel, Charles doesn't stand up every day dictating the future strategy the country should take with regard to health.

Agreed he shouldn't have travelled, but they are completely different scenarios

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Charles wasn't the face of a TV advertising campaign saying not to travel, Charles doesn't stand up every day dictating the future strategy the country should take with regard to health.

Agreed he shouldn't have travelled, but they are completely different scenarios

He's the direct heir to the throne and one of the most publicly visible people in the entire country... how many people (even in Scotland) can honestly claim they had any idea who Catherine Calderwood was before this story broke?

I agree that the hypocrisy adds another element and it's a very different situation, but I don't think one is necessarily worse than the other. We are CONSTANTLY being told that the Royals are, or are supposed to be, role models for the public and that's part of why it's important that we keep them around at all, and why it's important to keep "undesireables" out of the line up, and yet here we have the future king (maybe, I reckon Liz might outlive him) blatantly disregarding the advice. How can you expect people to see that and not question why they're not allowed to do the same?

[Beso]

Inept leadership.

[Oliver_W]

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

Not very, it's an advisory position taken by trained medics (she is a doctor), most of the political messages have come directly from Wee Nic. She is/was a direct advisor to the first minister, though.

Having to replace the CMO in the middle of this is an absolute disaster to be honest, and is why she wasn't going to be fired, but the press heat has given no choice but resignation.

It should have been a grovelling apology now, and resignation when things have started to quieten down. Now they need to appoint a new CMO and that person has to take the time to get up to speed, and will still be lacking a lot of vital experience even when they are up to speed. It's going to slow things down and cause more confusion. Total mess. But people need their pound of flesh.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Does that advert run along? Down here there's one with a man I've not heard of which comes on nearly every break.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not very, it's an advisory position taken by trained medics (she is a doctor), most of the political messages have come directly from Wee Nic. She is/was a direct advisor to the first minister, though.

Having to replace the CMO in the middle of this is an absolute disaster to be honest, and is why she wasn't going to be fired, but the press heat has given no choice but resignation.

It should have been a grovelling apology now, and resignation when things have started to quieten down. Now they need to appoint a new CMO and that person has to take the time to get up to speed, and will still be lacking a lot of vital experience even when they are up to speed. It's going to slow things down and cause more confusion. Total mess. But people need their pound of flesh.

I'm always against "trial by public", I too think it should have been abject apology.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

They reported that she’d been on stage each day by the side of misery/guts Sturgeon.


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They reported that she’d been on stage each day by the side of misery/guts Sturgeon.


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Excuse me Our Nic is a rough diamond.

[Jigs]

A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jigs

A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.

Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the Scottish government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offence by the country s leading medical officer ffs

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She is coming from a city area to a small rural community, and her family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond recklass

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the Scottish government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offence by the country s leading medical officer ffs

I don't disagree that her long-term viability for the position was trashed, but like I said the sensible option would have been to apologise now - do her job quietly for the time being - and then leave the role afterwards. Appointing a new CMO in the middle of a pandemic is a disaster.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Jigs

A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.

How is it a MINOR bending of the rules ?


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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How is it a MINOR bending of the rules ?


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[Marsh.]

Surely not ContraryTrumpet striking again.

[Tom4784]

She should be sacked like Cummings should be sacked.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She should be sacked like Cummings should be sacked.

She apologised and resigned within two days.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She apologised and resigned within two days.

Sturgeon stood on stage with her, backing her but backed down to public opinion and forced her to resign down to public opinion...


Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sturgeon stood on stage with her, backing her but backed down to public opinion and forced her to resign down to public opinion...


Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.

Stripping all that back just tells me that this non entity of a story is down to the hungry press.

You've quoted st least 2 headlines.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.

Completely agree with every word. Had Cummings apologised yesterday i think a lot of people would still have been rightly pissed but thought not an awful lot more of it. The downright refusal to admit he had acted against his own advice coupled with the Gove and Hancock debacle today just compounded the GBP thinking they have sacrificed their right to free movement for the bigwigs to do what the **** they want

[Oliver_W]

I pretty much agree TS. Calderwood basically said "I did wrong, I'm sorry" and she should have been allowed to get on with her job.
If Cummings had even just said "lol you got me, peasants!" this would probably have dried up by now, it's not like anyone could think less of him! But it's just insulting that he's flinging these excuses out there.

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

How does Cummings staying on represent our interests?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How does Cummings staying on represent our interests?

I've seen some folks-in-politics suggest that Boris ... struggles to make decisions ... and quite often relies on Cummings to prompt him to do anything at all. Seems he wouldn't be able to pick out a tie without asking Dom whether it should be patterned or plain.

[Marsh.]

Boris always looks like he's just rolled out of bed after a late one on the Xbox and downed a red bull before leaving the house so I wouldn't be surprised.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Boris always looks like he's just rolled out of bed after a late one on the Xbox and downed a red bull before leaving the house so I wouldn't be surprised.

I hope you ain't looking horizontal in a box if you catch corona marsh. I really mean that.

Slams pint on bar and walks out the virtual pub.