[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Terf now?...it gets better.

Why would the wording on the box prevent him using them? .. or in some magical way lessen the trauma he is facing?... it wouldn't you're projecting your opinion to demonise anyone who has a counter view on this. Who, if you've noticed are not all women, if you checked your own prejudice you'd see that.

Not being funny, but you are a person that menstruates. So is any young transboy. So is any transman. It’s entirely inclusive of all of you and you all share the product. So maybe any person upset by the words should start realising that this product is not all about them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Did I say you were the same as racists? I said the template of the argument is the same, company does something off their own backs, people get mad at the people not asking for it to be done, it’s how the entire ‘culture war’ is stoked

You could've used an analogy that was less slanted then imo.
It alludes that anyone questioning this is in some way biased or ignorant.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not being funny, but you are a person that menstruates. So is any young transboy. So is any transman. It’s entirely inclusive of all of you and you all share the product. So maybe any person upset by the words should start realising that this product is not all about them.

I didn't find being aligned with terfs funny. I'm a woman, why is it so hard to say?

As said inclusivity has to encompass everyone or nobody... Take male/female men/women off everything or nothing for there to be an equal playing field.

[Marsh.]

Funny how the word "man" is not being fought over in the same way. Hmm

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not being funny, but you are a person that menstruates. So is any young transboy. So is any transman. It’s entirely inclusive of all of you and you all share the product. So maybe any person upset by the words should start realising that this product is not all about them.

Transmen are biologically women though.

Maybe the word "female" should be used instead?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Transmen are biologically women though.

Maybe the word "female" should be used instead?

Using terms referring to biologial sex to advertise a product to cater to specific biological needs?

Don't be so ridiculous! In 2020?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Transmen are biologically women though.

Maybe the word "female" should be used instead?

Oh if you don’t see how calling a transman a female is rude, discriminatory, or at the least, problematic - I don’t think it’s worth us having a little chat.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh if you don’t see how calling a transman a female is rude, discriminatory, or at the least, problematic - I don’t think it’s worth us having a little chat.

They literally are female though You can't change your biological sex.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh if you don’t see how calling a transman a female is rude, discriminatory, or at the least, problematic - I don’t think it’s worth us having a little chat.

Only if they're entirely uneducated.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh if you don’t see how calling a transman a female is rude, discriminatory, or at the least, problematic - I don’t think it’s worth us having a little chat.

Yes that's it anyone that asks a perfectly innocent question that requires a legitimate answer insult and ignore them.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They literally are female though You can't change your biological sex.

Well make your own product that goes in to detail about explaining what a biological female is then. ‘A person that menstruates” is a much faster, kinder, and clearer way to explain this imo.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Only if they're entirely uneducated.

How do you get educated if you ask a question and the reply is, I don't think it's worth responding?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well make your own product that goes in to detail about explaining what a biological female is then. ‘A person that menstruates” is a much faster, kinder, and clearer way to explain this imo.

Nah, the word "woman" covers that quite nicely.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes that's it anyone that asks a perfectly innocent question that requires a legitimate answer insult and ignore them.

Nothing I’ve said is worse than transphobia, which is the thinly veiled issue in the thread lbr

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nah, the word "woman" covers that quite nicely.

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh if you don’t see how calling a transman a female is rude, discriminatory, or at the least, problematic - I don’t think it’s worth us having a little chat.

Should’ve been a bit clearer here

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well make your own product that goes in to detail about explaining what a biological female is then. ‘A person that menstruates” is a much faster, kinder, and clearer way to explain this imo.

You are approaching this from one angle. Have you ever considered that girls moving through puberty my be finding the transition to womanhood hard, confusing or traumatic?


If you remove the reference that this is part of their journey are you not doing them a disservice?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Should’ve been a bit clearer here

It's worth talking about, even if some do choose to be offended tbh

Why should women stand aside and surrender their title for some biological males?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How do you get educated if you ask a question and the reply is, I don't think it's worth responding?

See literally every other thread in the last 5 years about trans men. I’ve seen countless different people explain to you and Oliver and other users multiple different times.

It’s a lost cause imo

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are approaching this from one angle. Have you every considered that girls moving through puberty my be finding the transition to womanhood hard, confusing or traumatic?


If you remove the reference that this is part of their journey are you not doing them a disservice?

I’m sure she’ll grow up in a more tolerant generation that realise she’s a woman that menstruates, and there are other people that also menstruates, and with any hope, she’s probably already learned about this and is tolerant of others.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Nothing I’ve said is worse than transphobia, which is the thinly veiled issue in the thread lbr

Well it looks like you've made your mind up that anyone who has an opinion that this isn't 100% a great idea is transphobic.

Not much point being in a discussion then.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

See literally every other thread in the last 5 years about trans men. I’ve seen countless different people explain to you and Oliver and other users multiple different times.

It’s a lost cause imo

So, for 5yrs I've had an opinion you haven't agreed with so that gives you the right to label me transphobic?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How do you get educated if you ask a question and the reply is, I don't think it's worth responding?

Well, exactly.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well make your own product that goes in to detail about explaining what a biological female is then. ‘A person that menstruates” is a much faster, kinder, and clearer way to explain this imo.

So an entire gender have to avoid using words that refer to the reality of their biological sex because a small minority of people wish to ignore reality?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’m sure she’ll grow up in a more tolerant generation that realise she’s a woman that menstruates, and there are other people that also menstruates, and with any hope, she’s probably already learned about this and is tolerant of others.

So she must grow up and learn to get over herself and be courteous of others but the transwomen mustn't be triggered because their life experiences are more important?

No.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’m sure she’ll grow up in a more tolerant generation that realise she’s a woman that menstruates, and there are other people that also menstruates, and with any hope, she’s probably already learned about this and is tolerant of others.

Oh right, so now my whole generation is somehow less tolerant? And this generation will have a 'realisation' that their needs have to come secondary? And they're perfectly fine with that. Ok