[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10kThis thread isn't 'aimed' at anyone and I already told you I didn't write it. My points are regarding how men (of all races and nationalities) are treated in the uk. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean other black people also won't- you don't speak on behalf of everyone.

You can't agree, fair enough, we knew that 10 posts ago. Why not just agree to differ and stop pulling up every point I write with how it ties into race (because it doesn't) or that women are oppressed too and then resort to insults as you have done many times by calling me a misogynist.

I have disagreed with many people here and they have all been civil apart from you.

I made one post in this thread and you immediately attacked it. There wasn't much in it to attaack so you resorted to pointing out how I debated with you big pal Ron21. You got my attention. So here we are.

[Matt10k]

GiRth, I knew you'd show up to insult me for showing that I care about how men are discriminated. There was no need to bring race into this argument and there is no need to keep calling my views misogynist.

You attacked Ron and he began to insult you and got banned, fair enough. But you then point out how he “used to resort to name calling at the drop of a hat” yet you seem to not realise you are guilty of the same and I bet you never even received so much as a warning for it.

[James]

Hmm, just a suggestion... it would be better if everyone sticks to the subject instead of getting personal about it...

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by James
Hmm, just a suggestion... it would be better if everyone sticks to the subject instead of getting personal about it...

I agree. Lets stick to the topic.

EDIT: For the record, I dont remember attacking Ron. As I recall I held a differing point of view.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh

I agree. Lets stick to the topic.

EDIT: For the record, I dont remember attacking Ron. As I recall I held a differing point of view.

That is why I think there should be a thread for how women are discriminated. I know you said you should be able to talk about it here but it causes arguments. If there was a thread discussing discrimination of women, I could give my views on their discrimination in that thread.

Male and female discrimination is a separate issue as we are all discriminated in different ways. Also different races can be discriminated but I don't see how mentioning it here adds anything to the topic of how men are discriminated, thus perhaps they should get their own threads too.

I am only thinking to reduce arguments as it seems I can't demonstrate how men are being discriminated without a torrent of 'but women are discriminated too' arguments. Like I said earlier, it’s akin to someone starting a topic on animal abuse and then everyone repeatedly talking about how people are abused. Abuse of humans may be more relevant to many than animal abuse but if it’s a topic discussing animal abuse it is simply annoying for people to keep on mentioning abuse in other areas when it adds nothing to the original debate of animal abuse and how it can be stopped etc...

[Sunny_01]

I think that the key is tolerance. Each poster on this thread has valid thoughts and opinions on the subject yet are unable to tolerate each other and their opinions.

Matt why not open that thread on women and how they are discriminated against, I agree it could well go a long way towards restoring balance. Girth has strong feelings of equality and I am sure he would respect the sense of balance given to both men and women.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think that the key is tolerance. Each poster on this thread has valid thoughts and opinions on the subject yet are unable to tolerate each other and their opinions.

Matt why not open that thread on women and how they are discriminated against, I agree it could well go a long way towards restoring balance. Girth has strong feelings of equality and I am sure he would respect the sense of balance given to both men and women.

The reason I respond to threads such as this one is because it seems discrimination of men is taken less seriously and is less publicised than that of women. Some men seem to be scared to talk about it and I’d like to make everyone more open because I believe communication is the key. I think if we prevent people from being able to say what they secretly think, it harbours frustration and resentment and in the long run, helps no one.

I believe women are well catered for in this respect and are able to air their views on discrimination without being labelled a misandrist or a bigot. If we are truly equal, men should be allowed to express their concerns in a similar way, without being insulted… because regardless of what anyone will say, I will always think this way and I feel that being able to express it is important and I’d want other people to feel the same.

Still, I will open the thread on how women are discriminated. I realise not everyone feels as I do. We aren’t half as enlightened as I would have hoped. Perhaps you’re right, that by opening a thread on how women are discriminated, it will help some people to understand that my arguments can work both ways.

Obviously, I believe a lot of the ways women are discriminated are fully realised so if I did open the thread, I’d be interested to hear about areas women are discriminated in that are not well publicised and that perhaps require that attention. If it ends up being a load of girls ranting about how the last 3 blokes they went out with were sh*theads and that thus, all men must be cr*p, I’d be pretty disappointed.

See, really what I want is for people to be aware of areas where people are being discriminated against that are NOT currently well publicised and it just so happens that a lot of the areas men are discriminated in are not half taken seriously enough. I’m sure there are discriminations against women that are largely ignored too and I’d like to hear about them...

[SHANEHUGHES!]

I dont care if this is the wrong debate ro whatever! all i know is that i am a safe 17 year old male driver! I am studying for my A-Levels and want a car. I have £1600 for a car and earn a few hundred a month fro my part time jobs aswell!!

Yet the bloody car insurance dicks think that i can afford £3000, £4000 a year on car insurance ye thats totally reasonable init!! That is one bloody way that men are descriminated in bloody british society!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr43%er]

The insurance company's run on risk. 17 year old males are more of a risk. They are there to make money, not help you. Your demographic is more likely to cost them money. Not nice I know, I have been there. But now I am older and I get insurance cheaper. This is because people my age are less likely to crash. I would be bloody annoyed if my price went up to pay for your age group so you felt equal. Trust me, you will feel the same when you get to my age.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Matt10k

The reason I respond to threads such as this one is because it seems discrimination of men is taken less seriously and is less publicised than that of women. Some men seem to be scared to talk about it and I’d like to make everyone more open because I believe communication is the key. I think if we prevent people from being able to say what they secretly think, it harbours frustration and resentment and in the long run, helps no one.

I believe women are well catered for in this respect and are able to air their views on discrimination without being labelled a misandrist or a bigot. If we are truly equal, men should be allowed to express their concerns in a similar way, without being insulted… because regardless of what anyone will say, I will always think this way and I feel that being able to express it is important and I’d want other people to feel the same.

Still, I will open the thread on how women are discriminated. I realise not everyone feels as I do. We aren’t half as enlightened as I would have hoped. Perhaps you’re right, that by opening a thread on how women are discriminated, it will help some people to understand that my arguments can work both ways.

Obviously, I believe a lot of the ways women are discriminated are fully realised so if I did open the thread, I’d be interested to hear about areas women are discriminated in that are not well publicised and that perhaps require that attention. If it ends up being a load of girls ranting about how the last 3 blokes they went out with were sh*theads and that thus, all men must be cr*p, I’d be pretty disappointed.

See, really what I want is for people to be aware of areas where people are being discriminated against that are NOT currently well publicised and it just so happens that a lot of the areas men are discriminated in are not half taken seriously enough. I’m sure there are discriminations against women that are largely ignored too and I’d like to hear about them...

Thanks for responding Matt, I appreciate your efforts.

[Sunny_01]

I wanted to balance things up here as well. In the discrimination against women thread we have talked about maternity leave. What I wanted to say here is that men are really left out in the cold when it comes to this. Their rights are limited and they are given very little time to bond at home with their child. I really belive that men should be given the equality of opportunity when it comes to being given time with their child, or at least given a more generous amount of PAID time off with their family.

[Dr43%er]

New fathers can take up to 13 weeks unpaid up to 5 years after the child has been born. Should they be paid for this? Why should a boss pay because you have decided to have a child? Should you if you are looking to have children take responsibility for your own actions and save if you want to take the time off?