[Jake!]

One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were gonna die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin

So effectively, you're saying you have as much right to fox hunt as we do to live in our house? Ridiculous...

No of course not. I was just showing how Humans always have and always will change nature.

[Stu]

That's really just a sterotype.

A stereotype is born from majority. The majority of fox hunters ARE rich toffs on horseback.

If the population wasn't controlled, then most would die of starvation in rural areas.

And they survive the dog attacks and bullets? And again , its not for populaiton control they do it. Its for pleasure.

without the numbers controlled their immune system would be weaker, and they would be more liable to diesease and death.

Sort of like how they are dying anyway? And again , its not for populaiton control they do it. Its for pleasure.

Having a Beagle rip its face off - No. That was banned.

Which is what we are arguing. And yes , I agree with you on it being banned. My argument is against the afformentioned rich toffs , but im still against shooting them. Leave nature play itself out in this case.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Princess

I am a vegetarian.

Then I applaud you for resisting the juicy taste of bacon in the morning .

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare
One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were going to die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

So killing animals for testing hair products is right?
Again, thats another argument.

[Matt10k]

Magic, why won't you answer my point regarding why you choose to focus on foxes? Other animals get diseases and are prone to overpopulation. Where is your evidence that foxes need culling for overpopulation reasons and do you really expect me to believe you kill foxes for the reasons you have stated?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Magic

So killing animals for testing hair products is right?
Again, thats another argument.

No, if you read my earlier posts, I deemed it wrong, their are plenty of humans who do it for money which is fair.

[Magic]

I'm off to eat.
And I am not a Vegetarian.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Magic
I'm off to eat.
And I am not a Vegetarian.

No one said be a vegetarian...

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare

No, if you read my earlier posts, I deemed it wrong, their are plenty of humans who do it for money which is fair.

So Mr.KFC that kills thousands of chickens in the most inhumane way ever, is fair, because its to make money?

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare

No one said be a vegetarian...

No I just thought I should say it.

I hope I havent offended anyone.
BRB!

[Stu]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Magic, why won't you answer my point regarding why you choose to focus on foxes? Other animals get diseases and are prone to overpopulation. Where is your evidence that foxes need culling for overpopulation reasons and do you really expect me to believe you kill foxes for the reasons you have stated?

Aye. Probably the best point in the whole roundabout argument , and it has gone unanswered.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Magic

So Mr.KFC that kills thousands of chickens in the most inhumane way ever, is fair, because its to make money?

Listen, Mr.KFC kills chickens in the most unbareable manor, but how'd you kill yours? How are yours killed hen they being prepared to be sold at Tesco 2 for £5...

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare

Listen, Mr.KFC kills chickens in the most unbareable manor, but how'd you kill yours? How are yours killed hen they being prepared to be sold at Tesco 2 for £5...

I dont kill my chickens. I just keep them because I like them as pets.

Just as a side topic, did you see all that Jamie Oliver and Hughs Chicken Run stuff on TV a while back. It was very good, and certainly changed the habits of our house.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Magic, why won't you answer my point regarding why you choose to focus on foxes? Other animals get diseases and are prone to overpopulation. Where is your evidence that foxes need culling for overpopulation reasons and do you really expect me to believe you kill foxes for the reasons you have stated?

Well if you believe me or not then thats up to you. Those are my reasons for going hunting, wheather you believe it or not. Besides, thats not what we are talking about.

Why did I focus on foxes? Because its a topic we can all relate to, and many people have a reasonable knowlegde on.

Another example is Badgers. Should then be culled, in order to stop the spread of TB?

My evidence - Its simple. If their were more foxes, the food chain would be ruined, epecially in rural area's. Also, refer to my earlier posts, where I talked about how disease has spread in recent years since the hunt has stopped coming to my village.

[Tom]

I'm against fox hunting. No matter how high the population, everything which is born deserves a right to life, or at least a humane or natural death. Nobody should be allowed to take life away in such an inhumane way. I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick. How on earth can someone get pleasure by shooting and killing a defenseless fox that has done no harm to you in any way? The mind boggles.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Tom_
I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick.

So do I.

Originally posted by Tom_
How on earth can someone get pleasure by shooting and killing a defenseless fox that has done no harm to you in any way?

Unfortantely thats not they way many see it. Farmers may be angry when a fox breaks in to a field, and kill's their lambs or sheep.

[dupin]

It's stupid to say you're doing it to help the species though - and even in the slight chance that it's your motivation for it, it's definately not the reason why the massive majority of hunters do it.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Magic

So do I.

Didn't you earlier in this thread say you go fox hunting and support it? Surely thats a contradiction? If you thought it was that sick then you wouldn't do it. You must get some sort of pleasure out of it.

Originally posted by Tom_
How on earth can someone get pleasure by shooting and killing a defenseless fox that has done no harm to you in any way?

Lets say your example is real. That farmer may not have woke up with the intention to go out killing foxes. That farmer will have done it as a spur of the moment thing and because the fox has killed some of his animals. He isn't going out into the woods to kill foxes on purpose, foxes that have done nothing to him. He isn't doing it for pleasure.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Magic

So do I.

You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

Originally posted by Tom_
Lets say your example is real. That farmer may not have woke up with the intention to go out killing foxes. That farmer will have done it as a spur of the moment thing and because the fox has killed some of his animals. He isn't going out into the woods to kill foxes on purpose, foxes that have done nothing to him. He isn't doing it for pleasure.

Can you expand that, because I dont really know the main points your saying. Sorry, I'll blame it on being blonde

This isn't directly aimed at you Tom, but many people in this thread dont really have much of a understanding of countryside life.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic

You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

Can you expand that, because I dont really know the main points your saying. Sorry, I'll blame it on being blonde

This isn't directly aimed at you Tom, but many people in this thread dont really have much of a understanding of countryside life.

But you do it for pleasure - you dont do just because otherwise ill foxes will die. If you claim that, it's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Magic
You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

But you continue to go fox hunting. Therefore you must get some sort of pleasure out of it because it isn't a compulsory thing to do.

I don't see how I can expand on my other point

[Conzors]

Killing Foxes, or any kind of animal for that matter is cruel. I dont see the point in killing them - Just to get a bit of a hobby out of them? How ridiculous is that? I mean fox hunting is cruel, they have just as miuch right to the land as we do, they were hre before us after all.

Conz x

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin

But you do it for pleasure - you dont do just because otherwise ill foxes will die. If you claim that, it's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

When hunting I see that I am helping the animals, and I havent myself witnessed a fox being killed, which I am glad about. The main reasons I go hunting is the reasons I said earlier, and its a way of me exercisig my pony on land I wouldnt be able to go on otherwise and to teach my pony jumping and stuff.

BTW i havent been hunting this season (year), and I only went once last season.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic

When hunting I see that I am helping the animals, and I havent myself witnessed a fox being killed, which I am glad about. The main reasons I go hunting is the reasons I said earlier, and its a way of me exercisig my pony on land I wouldnt be able to go on otherwise and to teach my pony jumping and stuff.

BTW i havent been hunting this season (year), and I only went once last season.

Oh yeah, obviously, people fox hunt to HELP animals. It's so obvious *rolls eyes*