[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie

Yes and the world doesnt resolve around morals does it?

Morally I would feel wrong bringing a baby into the world if I didnt want one.

Morally you feel abortion is wrong.

Everyone has morals Tom - but life doesnt always resolve round them as they are all different.

Life doesn't always revolve around laws either.

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Pro- Choice...

Don't get me wrong If I'm having sex I don't purposely say.. " Hey! lets not use contraception, I can just have an abortion.."

I believe if you find out from your doctor your pregancy could cause problems for the baby and myself, I would have an abortion. I don't want my baby to go through pain and suffer.
I also believe that its my body, I can do what I please with it.
Lastly I believe it should be legal everywhere.. so women can have the choice.

I kind of agree with you, I think the only situation where its OK is if problems occur that can affect either life.

[Spike]

I am strongly for abortion, I don't believe this pro-life crap
Its a decision if to have a baby or not, if the mother wants it then yeah have the baby, but if not, after consideration, then don't have the baby
Everyone should have the choice to lead the life they want, nobody should take that choice away from them

[Fom]

Originally posted by Spike
I am strongly for abortion, I don't believe this pro-life c**p
Its a decision if to have a baby or not, if the mother wants it then yeah have the baby, but if not, after consideration, then don't have the baby
Everyone should have the choice to lead the life they want, nobody should take that choice away from them

Yeh I totally see where you are coming from, if a pair of heels are getting on you nerves you get rid of them... its not like this baby is important at all! Its not like the baby has potential to live, to be a human being or anything.

Babies clearly are something we can choose if we want to keep or not... as if its our choice of life. Not like life is valuable or anything...

[Spike]

Originally posted by Fom

Yeh I totally see where you are coming from, if a pair of heels are getting on you nerves you get rid of them... its not like this baby is important at all! Its not like the baby has potential to live, to be a human being or anything.

Babies clearly are something we can choose if we want to keep or not... as if its our choice of life. Not like life is valuable or anything...

People should have a choice on something which will effect their lives regardless of what it is
In your opinion a baby is more important than a pair of heels but that doesn't mean because its more important people have to keep the baby, they just have to consider the situation alot more before making any decision.

[Annie]

Originally posted by Spike
I am strongly for abortion, I don't believe this pro-life c**p
Its a decision if to have a baby or not, if the mother wants it then yeah have the baby, but if not, after consideration, then don't have the baby
Everyone should have the choice to lead the life they want, nobody should take that choice away from them

agreed

[Tom]

So Spike basically thinks what I've been arguing against for the past few pages, its fine to get rid of a baby because its an inconvenience. Oh I've got an idea, lets go and kill everyone and everything else we find to be an inconvenience. If its fine to kill a baby that has done nothing wrong and its not its fault its there, then its fine to do it to people who genuinely have caused problems. As Fom said, its not as though life is valuable or anything.

I also don't agree with the way people keep putting it all down to the woman and practically saying they get the final choice.

[MrGaryy]

I am strongly Pro Choice

Depending on the situation, that person would only become totally messed up, emotionally unbalanced and probably very unhealthy in some cases.

EDIT: Not to mention that in could mess up two lives, if the mother is young. She will never be able to fulfill her potential and could become a joke in her local area.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Tom
So Spike basically thinks what I've been arguing against for the past few pages, its fine to get rid of a baby because its an inconvenience. Oh I've got an idea, lets go and kill everyone and everything else we find to be an inconvenience. If its fine to kill a baby that has done nothing wrong and its not its fault its there, then its fine to do it to people who genuinely have caused problems. As Fom said, its not as though life is valuable or anything.

I also don't agree with the way people keep putting it all down to the woman and practically saying they get the final choice.

Yes it would be fine to kill people who have done wrong and caused problems
Life is valuable thats why I am very pro-choice because an inconvenience such as a baby shouldn't dictate to someone how their life will go and possibly spoil it. Its upto people to make choices in life and for people to be in control instead of being dictated to.

[Jake!]

I think the limit should be ten weeks for abortion because thats when it bevelops into a new life...

[Tom]

Originally posted by Spike

Yes it would be fine to kill people who have done wrong and caused problems
Life is valuable thats why I am very pro-choice because an inconvenience such as a baby shouldn't dictate to someone how their life will go and possibly spoil it. Its upto people to make choices in life and for people to be in control instead of being dictated to.

Then why is it OK to kill a baby who has done nothing wrong and they are the last person to blame for being there?

[MrGaryy]

Tom, you said in you're first post you are strongly against it, yet seem to be contradicting the 'strongly' bit by some of your replies to the pro choicers.

[Fom]

I repeat what I have said before... if you get pregnant, its your own fault! Take the responsibility! If you are having sex then you need to realise you are risking chance of pregnancy. If I got a girl pregnant then it is my responsibility to understand what I have done and bring the baby up in the world.

If we got into the topic of rape then it becomes a bit more confusing... but if the baby is set for a healthy development, and you have not been raped, then its your own responsibility to bring it up.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Tom

Then why is it OK to kill a baby who has done nothing wrong and they are the last person to blame for being there?

because they are an inconvenience to an already superior established life.

[Jen]

I just watched the Silent Scream video on You Tube... I have nevr wanted to watch it incase it made me question my own beliefs and morals.

It upset me.. yes.
I'm still Pro-Choice.

[Annie]

Originally posted by Tom

I also don't agree with the way people keep putting it all down to the woman and practically saying they get the final choice.

Who's final choice is it then?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Spike

because they are an inconvenience to an already superior established life.

Why is it superior? Both are humans. Noone is better than anyone else regardless of age.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Fom
I repeat what I have said before... if you get pregnant, its your own fault! Take the responsibility! If you are having sex then you need to realise you are risking chance of pregnancy. If I got a girl pregnant then it is my responsibility to understand what I have done and bring the baby up in the world.

If we got into the topic of rape then it becomes a bit more confusing... but if the baby is set for a healthy development, and you have not been raped, then its your own responsibility to bring it up.

Take responsibility??? Having an abortion instead of bringing an unwanted baby into the world is taking responsibility.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie

Who's finaly choice is it then?

Whoever she slept with to get the baby there in the first place. Why should a mother just get the full say? Its just as much to do with him than it is her.

[Billy]

For it.
All situations are different. if you dont want a baby you shouldnt be forced to have one end of IMO

[Annie]

Tom will you get over the fact that they are not counted as as a citizen!

A fetus does not have any rights at all as they cannot think!!!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Ruth

Take responsibility??? Having an abortion instead of bringing an unwanted baby into the world is taking responsibility.

No, its just basically covering something over to pretend it never happened.

Real responsibility is dealing with the consequences and not doing a selfish act.

[Annie]

Originally posted by Tom

Whoever she slept with to get the baby there in the first place. Why should a mother just get the full say? Its just as much to do with him than it is her.

In a few cases men have taken their partner to court to try to prevent her having an abortion. All their cases have failed. Judges have stressed that a man does not have the right either to stop his partner having an abortion or force her to have one.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie
Tom will you get over the fact that they are not counted as as a citizen!

A fetus does not have any rights at all as they cannot think!!!

erm ... yes they can.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Billy21
For it.
All situations are different. if you dont want a baby you shouldnt be forced to have one end of IMO

Adoption, some people want children and cannot have them, why should there right be taken...