[arista]

Originally posted by Hugo

O

REALLY

WH
Y

IS THIS

THEN.

Talk properly before your going to put out a fair argument. Moron.

Who is a Moron?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Hugo

I'd say that my opinion helps just as much as yours does then, its all opinion, my opinion isn't for the sake of being conservative, it's just what I believe.

I never said mine was superior than yours, I respect your opinion, we differ on that point then fair enough. I also never said your opinion was for the sake of being conservative, you may have never known your opinion was but it definitely is. You've got the same points as the Pope and co. have. It's all about opinion I agree.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : arista

Who is a Moron?

It seems to be you. I mean, according to Hugo lol.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Lauren

The picture is shocking, but only because it's developed physically close to being a baby. But mentally it's nothing. I know that sounds harsh, but it literally has no awareness, feelings, understanding, autonoetic awareness, hearing... nothing. It's for this reason I think the rights of the mother should come first. (But this is also the reason why I believe the limit should stay strictly at 24 weeks, no later).

Fair point, but is that really a justification for killing somebody (which abortion is doing since life starts at conception. In my opinion, your argument to me is just the same as saying its ok to kill a man who is in a coma, lost his memory, irresponsive in everyway, but will recover. (not taking into account any emotional loss of his family)

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Hugo
Fair point, but is that really a justification for killing somebody (which abortion is doing since life starts at conception. In my opinion, your argument to me is just the same as saying its ok to kill a man who is in a coma, lost his memory, irresponsive in everyway, but will recover. (not taking into account any emotional loss of his family)

If life began at the conception, our birthday dates will be different, like people from Mongolia do. They count the 9 months of pregnancy which we don't. Juridically, life begins when the baby starts breathing. Never before. So your statement is wrong.

[John.]

IMO IMO IMO.

it's a personal thing... it should stay personal...

no one has the right to question what someone else wants to do!



it's up to the 'parents'. but i do think the father should have a say...

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Hugo

Fair point, but is that really a justification for killing somebody (which abortion is doing since life starts at conception. In my opinion, your argument to me is just the same as saying its ok to kill a man who is in a coma, lost his memory, irresponsive in everyway, but will recover. (not taking into account any emotional loss of his family)

But this is why I am pro-choice, rather than pro-abortion. I don't take abortion lightly, but in some cases it's a case of 'the rights of the woman vs. the rights of a foetus'. I honestly believe in this impossible decision, there is only one outcome, and that should be up to the woman.

Originally posted by JD.

it's up to the 'parents'. but i do think the father should have a say...

Now this is an interesting point. I remember I once said this to someone, and they questioned me further.

What happens if the father is adamant he wants the mother to have an abortion, but she wants the baby to be born?

Or what if the father wants the mother to carry on with the pregnancy, but she wants an abortion (perhaps if the pregnancy were to cause physical damage etc.)?

It should be a mutual decision, but ultimately the woman should have the choice.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

If life began at the conception, our birthday dates will be different, like people from Mongolia do. They count the 9 months of pregnancy which we don't. Juridically, life begins when the baby starts breathing. Never before. So your statement is wrong.

No it isn't, it's a scientific fact, not an opinion. Also they are called birthdays because they are when we are born, when we take our first independent breaths ect. Birth is different from life beginning.

[Twilight]

Originally posted by Lauren

But this is why I am pro-choice, rather than pro-abortion. I don't take abortion lightly, but in some cases it's a case of 'the rights of the woman vs. the rights of a foetus'. I honestly believe in this impossible decision, there is only one outcome, and that should be up to the woman.

This

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Hugo

No it isn't, it's a scientific fact, not an opinion. Also they are called birthdays because they are when we are born, when we take our first independent breaths ect. Birth is different from life beginning.

I never said it was an opinion. I've made my argument about a fact from Law. Nothing more complicated. A baby isn't alive until their first breath.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Twilight

This

Wow Twilight, you're such an asset to the forum, always contributing informative and interesting posts.

[Twilight]

Originally posted by MrGaryy

Wow Twilight, you're such an asset to the forum, always contributing informative and interesting posts.

Lol

[Hugo]

Originally posted by MrGaryy

Wow Twilight, you're such an asset to the forum, always contributing informative and interesting posts.

LMAO

[Fom]

I was and slightly still am Pro-life, but after my best friend had a pregnancy scare... my whole opinion changed, it suddenly came acceptable as she is a young person with a bright future. If it was my mistake I personally would have it as I feel its my responsibility. But I understand why people are Pro- Choice now. And thats coming from someone who is mostly Pro Life

[arista]

Having a Abortion
is 100% Legal in the UK.
That is a Fact.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by arista
Having a Abortion
is 100% Legal in the UK.
That is a Fact.

Well done. Next week we'll do colours.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Hugo

Well done. Next week we'll do colours.

I couldnt stop laughing for 5 minutes, after I read this post!

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I couldnt stop laughing or 5 minutes, after I read this post!

Yep, tickled me pink too.

[John.]

IMO.

i do think, that now many people see abortion as a form of contraception when it isn't...

men should use condoms and
woman should be on the pill, etc. etc.

it not just the man's responsibility to carry condoms either. if a woman wants to have sex then she has to make sure that she has condoms aswell...

[arista]

Also a Un Born Baby has No Rights.

[Indierock&roll]

i think its your choice .. its your baby if you dont want it and wouldnt be able to cope with it then i say go ahead
id without a doubt get an abortion if i got pregnant at my age now..
probably even if i was still about 21 .. wouldnt want a baby till about 30

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Hugo

Well done. Next week we'll do colours.

ROFLMAO

[Fom]

Originally posted by arista
Also a Un Born Baby has No Rights.

Who said that? Who made that into a law?
I think you are making that up really, as far as I know every living thing has rights, the un born baby has a heartbeat and brain activity, therefore its a living thing... surely?

[arista]

Originally posted by Fom

Who said that? Who made that into a law?
I think you are making that up really, as far as I know every living thing has rights, the un born baby has a heartbeat and brain activity, therefore its a living thing... surely?

No the Parents have full Rights to Terminate it.


"In the UK, abortion is only legal if performed under the strict criteria and guidelines of the Abortion Act, laid down to protect the welfare of the mother and the unborn child."

"Abortion is a relatively safe procedure when done by trained professionals. It can be done in several ways, using drug and/or surgical treatments. The following is based on timings as recommended by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists."

[arista]

Surgical treatments:

* From five to 15 weeks - the pregnancy can be removed by placing a tube through the vagina and into the cervix. This is known as suction termination. It's often carried out under local anaesthetic, but you may be offered sedation or a general anaesthetic. It can also be done as a day case, avoiding a hospital stay.
* From 15 to 19 weeks - a surgical dilatation and evacuation (known as D&E) may be necessary to empty the womb. This is usually done under a light general anaesthetic.
* Up to 24 weeks- more advanced pregnancies are rarely terminated but when they are, more complicated surgery is required.






You can be against this Legal Right to Abort
but it will Never stop it.
Fact.