[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I'd like to think I have slightly better predictions than fat Sal.

[Ryan57]

Time for Rafa's mighty men to down Brenton Rodgers' side.

[bbfan1991]

I can't wait to see Piers Morgan's meltdown when Robin Van Persie wins the Premier League with United soon.

[Ryan57]

If Spurs/City result stays like this, and United win tomorrow, we have to give Van Pursestrings a GUARD OF bloody HONOUR on Sunday.

A guard of honour, for the biggest traitor in Arsenal history. At our own ground. I think I'm going to be sick. #VanPursestrings

Arsenal could be 5th in League as we give Van Pursestrings his guard of honour. Gazidis & Wenger's catastrophic decision will be laid bare.

[Drew.]

Luiz or Suarez will see a red card, just depends which one tries to attack the other first

[Brother Leon]

Lol. Rafa is actually a hero for these guys


A flag of him next to Shankley...yeah I'm done

[Ryan57]

Class oozing all over the pitch.

[bbfan1991]

RIP Anne Williams.

[bbfan1991]

This is funny.

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Lol. Rafa is actually a hero for these guys


A flag of him next to Shankley...yeah I'm done

Istanbul.

Took over the dregs of Houlliers team, and turned it around while you lot had already spent Ł30m on Ferdinand, Ł27m on Rooney etc, and he made us competitive, despite only spending Ł15m each season. Don't forget Arsenal were the invincibles, and you and Chelsea were spending loads on top players at that time.

People will try to rewrite history in a way that they never do for any other manager, but the job Rafa did was unquestionably good. Only people who believe the media narrative buy into this Rafa was a clown nonsense. How many managers have won the CL with players like Traore and Biscan?

You want to know why he's a hero? Because of footballing reasons. He spotted what H&G really were before anyone else and he called them out. The media say he got too involved in the politics at the club, but he was fighting for the club, not against it. H&G were the cancer, not Rafa.

Think what you like of Benitez, but he was never the problem. He made some transfer mistakes in his last year, and the team wasn't great, but Fergies first few years were up and down, and he didn't have a cl and fa cup to show for it.

[bbfan1991]

I dislike Benitez in a footballing sense and think he is overrated as a Manager, although he did some good things with both Valencia and Liverpool.

I respect how he is thoughtful and respecting of Hillsborough.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Istanbul.

Took over the dregs of Houlliers team, and turned it around while you lot had already spent Ł30m on Ferdinand, Ł27m on Rooney etc, and he made us competitive, despite only spending Ł15m each season. Don't forget Arsenal were the invincibles, and you and Chelsea were spending loads on top players at that time.

People will try to rewrite history in a way that they never do for any other manager, but the job Rafa did was unquestionably good. Only people who believe the media narrative buy into this Rafa was a clown nonsense. How many managers have won the CL with players like Traore and Biscan?

You want to know why he's a hero? Because of footballing reasons. He spotted what H&G really were before anyone else and he called them out. The media say he got too involved in the politics at the club, but he was fighting for the club, not against it. H&G were the cancer, not Rafa.

Think what you like of Benitez, but he was never the problem. He made some transfer mistakes in his last year, and the team wasn't great, but Fergies first few years were up and down, and he didn't have a cl and fa cup to show for it.

To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.

[bbfan1991]

I can't help but feel sorry for Torres. If he leaves Chelsea in the Summer I reckon they will try a swap deal for Falcao.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.

I agree. Every manager has had their good/bad signings, you can scout someone a lot or take an interest but you never know how the player will peform until you see them play.

Some players unfortunately struggle to live up to the hype, where as some do well and maintain it unless there is a decline in form, but it depends on the mentality they have and looking after themselves.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.

That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.

[King Gizzard]

Bale coming back from an ankle injury/not being 100% and still being Tottenhams best player, guy is brilliant..I am warming to him

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.

You got the results, fair play I would take any win even if my team did not play at their best and I am sure you feel the same about Liverpool?

United got called lucky by Chelsea fans in 08 because of winning on penalties in Moscow, but it was OK for them to win it on penalties last year vs Bayern Munich.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.

Packed with quality is not how a lot of United fans would of deemed the side back then xD. Ronaldo was still a raw talent. Silvestre at centre back. Two useless keepers in Howard and Carroll. Two widely deemed, harshly imo, flops in Djemba - Djemba (so good they named him twice) and Kleberson. We had lot's of issues back then. We were miles from Mourinho's Chelsea. Also just remembered Kieran Richardson. Played him at flippin' left back sometimes.

And I wouldn't really deem coming back luck, unless you gain some kind of advantage which shouldn't of been (offside goal or a penalty that wasn't for example).
Anywho, what I was referring to was the 'ghost goal', Luis Garcia in the semi final. And that penalty shoot out in the final was so poorly reffed. Dudek was way infront of his line before the ball had even been taken. Was a total joke.



Goal, smallest man on the pitch. SMH.

[Brother Leon]

Oh dear. Poor defending.

[bbfan1991]

It pisses me off still how people call Inter Milan lucky the year they won the Champions League under Jose Mourinho, that team played well defensively but had the counter attacking ability which saw them through to the end.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

It pisses me off still how people call Inter Milan lucky the year they won the Champions League under Jose Mourinho, that team played well defensively but had the counter attacking ability which saw them through to the end.

One of the greatest sides I've ever witnessed personally. How Bayern dominated that final but Inter had a marvellous attack. Destroying a prime Barca at home then holding out with 10 men thanks to that tw@t Busquets.

Incredible centre back partnership of Lucio and Samuel also.

Ironic I mention Garcia's goal just before Reina's fumble.

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

You got the results, fair play I would take any win even if my team did not play at their best and I am sure you feel the same about Liverpool?

United got called lucky by Chelsea fans in 08 because of winning on penalties in Moscow, but it was OK for them to win it on penalties last year vs Bayern Munich.

I just don't know where we got lucky in our run? We destroyed Leverkusen, should have been 3/4 up against Juve in the first leg, but completely controlled the away leg, and the Chelsea game was just a couple of tense/nervous occasions. We didn't get luck along the way. Everything we got that year, we absolutely earned.

Even the so-called "ghost goal", that the media/idiots love to go on about is a bit disingenuous, as the ref had said if it hadn't have been a goal then his only option was to award us a penalty and send Cech off for the foul on Baros.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

One of the greatest sides I've ever witnessed personally. How Bayern dominated that final but Inter had a marvellous attack. Destroying a prime Barca at home then holding out with 10 men thanks to that tw@t Busquets.

Incredible centre back partnership of Lucio and Samuel also.

Ironic I mention Garcia's goal just before Reina's fumble.

I agree and I am bias because Inter have been my favourite Italian team since the Zanetti/Ronaldo/Vieri/Crespo/Materrazi days etc.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Goal, smallest man on the pitch. SMH.

Oscar is 5'11, and is nowhere near the smallest man on the pitch.

Still bad defending though.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I agree and I am bias because Inter have been my favourite Italian team since the Zanetti/Ronaldo/Vieri/Crespo/Materrazi days etc.

Still think that had Mourinho stayed they could of dominated Europe. Hopefully would of out done Barca again.