[Princess]

[rquote=2616162&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616145&tid=148326&author=InOne]These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.[/rquote]

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite[/rquote]

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.

[Stu]

[rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

[Scarlett.]

[rquote=2616166&tid=148326&author=Princess][rquote=2616162&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616145&tid=148326&author=InOne]These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.[/rquote]

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite[/rquote]

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.[/rquote]lol I dont like it personally, although I did have some Quorn mince meat in a Chilli Con Carne, I admit, I couldnt tell the difference there

[Harry!]

[rquote=2616169&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.[/rquote]

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.

[Stu]

[rquote=2616180&tid=148326&author=Harry.][rquote=2616169&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.[/rquote]

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.[/rquote]
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual.

[Harry!]

[rquote=2616204&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616180&tid=148326&author=Harry.][rquote=2616169&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.[/rquote]

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.[/rquote]
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual. [/rquote]

What about people in Africa? In there contry do they stand greatar risk because of the animals who live there?

You are thinking too much about the UK and what the UK enviroment holds. Of corse no creatures can kill us here but others sure can in other countrys.

Just stop twittering on please about CIVILIZED SOCIETY . As I have said we are wild and if in a different country can be more at danger from attack.

[Stu]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

[Scarlett.]

[rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?



No, thought not

[Harry!]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.

[Stu]

[rquote=2616274&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not[/rquote]
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. In fact, it is a damn shame and a tragedy that as a civilized society there is still so much poverty and inequality. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

[Stu]

[rquote=2616277&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.[/rquote]
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

[Scarlett.]

[rquote=2616278&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616274&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not[/rquote]
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*[/rquote]

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploa...n1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent

[Harry!]

[rquote=2616283&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616277&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.[/rquote]
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.[/rquote]

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.

[Stu]

[rquote=2616284&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616278&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616274&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not[/rquote]
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*[/rquote]

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploa...n1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent[/rquote]
I already saw the picture. We all saw it.

They make up a fair chunk of Africa, yes, but small in relation to the rest of the world. They are poor, unfortunately. Victims of there condition. Not sure have you realized this, but it takes money to start a chicken plant.

The argument is totally meaningless.

[Stu]

[rquote=2616285&tid=148326&author=Harry.][rquote=2616283&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616277&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.[/rquote]
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.[/rquote]

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.[/rquote]
No. Abstract point. Bears are not going to set up a judicial system anytime soon. Nor are they going to build slaughterhouses sometime within the next millenia.

But we have these things. Because we are not wild. Your delving into fantasy at this stage.

[Harry!]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.

[Princess]

[rquote=2616171&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616166&tid=148326&author=Princess][rquote=2616162&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616145&tid=148326&author=InOne]These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.[/rquote]

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite[/rquote]

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.[/rquote]lol I dont like it personally, although I did have some Quorn mince meat in a Chilli Con Carne, I admit, I couldnt tell the difference there [/rquote]

Ummm chilli con carne<3

[Stu]

[rquote=2616387&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.[/rquote]
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.

[InOne]

Let's pose another question then. Do you think the vid in the OP should be shown to kids?? Or what age do you think? Should we shelter them from where their meat comes from?

[30stone]

Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein

[Princess]

[rquote=2616578&tid=148326&author=30stone]Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein [/rquote]

No it doesn't Quorn has the exact same amount of protein as meat does,I remember doing it in Home Ec.

[Fom]

Quorn is decent, but its not meat. Im picky with food and I can just tell, there is that after taste which isnt satisfying. Plus they don't make quorn steaks haha, and if they did it wouldn't have that lovely stringy falling apart texture.

Some people need to get a grip and realise there are other opinions in the world other than yours, some people like meat and some people aren't upset at the fact it came from a living thing. Get over it. It is not murder because if it was murder everyone would be locked up... its a fact of life that we eat meat, it is natural to us... always has been and always will be. Our body requires meat to survive, obviously now with quorn and other stuff it is made possible to not need meat... but without technology you would be unhealthy not eating it.

My reason for eating meat? I really enjoy it, there is nothing more I enjoy than meat, steak, chicken, fish, lamb, pork... I like it all. If I enjoy it then I am going to do it... it is a free country.

[Princess]

Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P

[Fom]

[rquote=2616781&tid=148326&author=Princess]Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P [/rquote]

Haha, I have had quorn mince before... it was alright. You could tell that it was getting there, but me being a weirdo could just tell, there was that slight thing missing. But if you have forgot what meat tastes like then I can understand how much you think it tastes like meat because its close. I am exactly the same as you, I have nothing against vegetarians as long as people don't throw it on me
I even want to try out being a vegetarian just as an experience, I could never do it because I love meat. But I still want to try it for a bit!

[Princess]

[rquote=2616793&tid=148326&author=Fom][rquote=2616781&tid=148326&author=Princess]Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P [/rquote]

Haha, I have had quorn mince before... it was alright. You could tell that it was getting there, but me being a weirdo could just tell, there was that slight thing missing. But if you have forgot what meat tastes like then I can understand how much you think it tastes like meat because its close. I am exactly the same as you, I have nothing against vegetarians as long as people don't throw it on me
I even want to try out being a vegetarian just as an experience, I could never do it because I love meat. But I still want to try it for a bit! [/rquote]

Woo for us being sensible You should,just for a go. A lot of people are silly though and go cold turkey(lol),I gave up a different meat every few weeks to phase it out,so it took me a good few months to become a veggie which was kinda easier for me.