[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The whole homosexuality is a natural state, has not been proven, its a theory, and not a scientific fact!


Illegal?? I dont think anyone will kick you out of the church, because they know you are a homosexual! I have never heard of that before, as long as its not manifested in the church! And clearly, 2 people who are known to be homosexuals, and are holding hands in the church, are manifesting it. Once again, I am looking at it forom a logical point of view.

And again, I dont understand why as a homosexual, you would want to go in there!! BEcause youre not gonna change any views of the church, weather it generates publicity, or not!

First off I am not a homosexual, second off I dont want to go into a church except feet first. Third it is a natural state, look at the male big horn sheep or the homosexuality that’s been documented in over 450 different vertebrate species. Simply because todays science cant find a reason for something or a gene to explain things does not make something any less real.

No does being a homosexual exclude anyone from wanting to worship god in a church of their choosing.

Yes I do think they were stupid for openly defying convention in the church, yes I also think they are looking for their little bit of fame or notarity. Thats the problem with going to the press, the article will polarise opinion and no one wins, everyone looks bad.

[Photon]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The whole homosexuality is a natural state, has not been proven, its a theory, and not a scientific fact!

Stop posting.

Homosexuality has been well documented in the animal kingdom.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Photon

Stop posting.

Homosexuality has been well documented in the animal kingdom.

and not in any way shape or form agreed on. Trying to morph human things onto animals is the same as Paris Hilton dressing her dog in a tutu, and about as useful.

[setanta]

Look, as much as I have no time for the churches stance on homosexuality you don't have to be a genius to see that the two women knew exactly what they were doing.

[Beso]

the whole catholic church reeks of stupidity, jesus was a jew ffs.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by beso

the whole catholic church reeks of stupidity, jesus was a jew ffs.

Yeah course it does, one of the biggest money spinning cons in history. But what has the catholic Church to do with this thread? Could I refer you back to post #45

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah course it does, one of the biggest money spinning cons in history. But what has the catholic Church to do with this thread? Could I refer you back to post #45

Ok, thanks Rimmer

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nope.
You screwed this up. not me. He was not referring to the 'cast the first stone' passage.
He was 'invoking' the 'judge not' teaching.
He referred to something saying 'Judge Not'. (which is an out of context clip from Matthew).

Poor exercise in ass covering there matey. Go back and review from about thread#40 and you will see the real truth of what you have once again twisted to suit your own argument.

Originally Posted by beso

Ok, thanks Rimmer

You are most welcome Lister

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Poor exercise in ass covering there matey. Go back and review from about thread#40 and you will see the real truth of what you have once again twisted to suit your own argument

I wasn't going to rub your face in it but since you keep 'asking for it' lets go review.

Stu starts by asking/writing:

You say they have a right to allow or reject who they want, right, but what about 'Judge Not'?

I then ask Stu:

So just to be clear here - you think there is a Christian 'rule' and it says 'Judge Not'?

Now at this point I know he is referring to 'judge not lest you be judged accordingly',
but,
YOU jump in and MISTAKENLY believe Stu and I are talking about 'cast the first stone'.
Watch as you even explain how you think that is the 'judge not' passage:

Yeah I seem to recall a tale from the good book where Jesus stepped in on a stepping and said something along the lines of "Let he is without sin cast the first stone". John chap 8:7 Its generally taken to mean Judge not lest you be judged on your own failings.

Now after you misidentify his reference he shows up confused thinking you must have it right.
He writes:

Like Shasown said, he who is without sin and all that. It was one of the cornerstones of Christ's teaching.

Both of you are wrong. He was referring to the 'Judge Not' passage all along and in the first place.

Nope.
The teachings you took the 'snippet' from are from the Gospels where you first understand the concept is a Jewish Rabbi under Jewish Law who is teaching Law to other Jews under the Law.

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Then after I correctly identify the passage HE WAS referring to,
and,
explain to you the 'cast the first stone' passage is NOT the 'judge not' passage,
then,
even after realizing you screwed up you stupidly write:

"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her". Thats from John chapter 8

He wasn't talking about that passage and once again that is NOT referred to as the 'judge not' passage.
D'oh!

You are 100% self-pwned and why you keep wanting to push it is baffling.
I did not 'rub your face' in this.
You did.

In the future I will not be allowing you to waste my time with this much stupidity,
but,
this should be 'lesson learned' for you. You should be a little embarrassed now and realize you ought not try this again.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Now at this point I know he is referring to 'judge not lest you be judged accordingly',
but,
YOU jump in and MISTAKENLY believe Stu and I are talking about 'cast the first stone'.


Both of you are wrong. He was referring to the 'Judge Not' passage all along and in the first place.

I love the way your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance.

You know what people think and believe? Do me a favour, EMS!

[Photon]

Interesting argument there, though I'm not sure what you've addressed exactly. What is not agreed on?

Homosexual behavior has been observed in over a thousand different species. Of course, it is continuously studied and such studies are difficult to conduct as human interference must be kept to an absolute minimum, if not entirely or else such studies are considered invalid. In order to conduct accurate studies on group social behavior in animals, the presence of human interaction(whether direct or indirect) can nullify the value of any findings.

Of course, the primary argument(obviously not evidence based conclusions) that religious fanatics trumpeted for ages was that homosexuality was relegated to humans and was the result of amoral choices. Unfortunately for them, countless species have been observed in the wild engaging in homosexual behavior, even extending into same sex companionship in some of the more socially advanced species.

Of course, I'm sure you can refute this with something about frogs wearing bathing suits.

[letmein]

The homophobia and flat out bigotry in this thread is alarming. This thread should be locked, and members warned.

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by letmein

The homophobia and flat out bigotry in this thread is alarming. This thread should be locked, and members warned.

ant YOU GOT NOWT better to do wi your life than grass ppl up on a friggin forum? keyboard warrior

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by letmein

The homophobia and flat out bigotry in this thread is alarming. This thread should be locked, and members warned.

i would rather ban you for your avatar and i would wager i am not alone.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by letmein

The homophobia and flat out bigotry in this thread is alarming. This thread should be locked, and members warned.

Homophobia is a made-up mental illness that was popularized by gay activist orgs and people who were not psychiatrists or psychologists. It is true that the first 'documented' use (this is not the first use) might be a gay rights activist using it sarcastically (a neologism) in a hardcore porn mag,
but,
the reason it got popular was because activists and their propagandists began using it at every turn, media, placard.
Eventually the dictionary recognized it as a word being used to mean 'fear of homosexuals' (it is used that way).

But suppose there was such a thing?
An irrational fear of homosexuals or homosexuality?
I suppose there is.
Why should you want to prosecute those with this mental illness?
Why do you love the idea of threatening them with 'warnings' as if their mental problem was a crime?
Why do you want to 'lock up' homophobia sufferers?
I suppose you would like to straight-jacket them and gag them too?

These people suffer from an illness and how dare you talk of 'locking them up' and 'threatening them' to be silent!
First they are victims and now people like you want to victimize them even further for it.
There is increasing evidence that they may very well have been born this way. Its not a 'choice' but simply 'who they are' and who are you to condemn them?

Quite seriously, people like you make me sick to my stomach. Spewing hatred and bullying those with weaknesses is the worst thing there is. People like you are what is wrong with the world today and unless you learn to change your attitudes we never progress.

First you need to stop calling them 'homophobic' because that is simply unacceptable and insulting.
It starts with words.
They are called 'gay panic response sufferers' and don't need to be called derogatory names by you.

Next you need to start being a little more tolerant. Actually a LOT more tolerant. GPR people are JUST LIKE YOU AND ME and you have no right to stop them, tell them when to talk or what to do.
EVEN IF you disagree with GPR Sufferers (fine) but TOLERANCE for EVERYONE ought to be where you stand.

Last but not least - once you start using the proper terms and start learning to be tolerant you may then actually try and LEARN about GPR Sufferers!
get over your ignorance and become educated about GPR,
and,
wow.. you might even try and MEET some GPR Sufferers and realize they are actually normal people like you and me who have jobs and families and goals and not these 'horrible monsters' you make them out to be.

Its time people like you STOP your homophobist hate-spewing censoring of GPR people.

[Beso]

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Homophobia is a made-up mental illness that was popularized by gay activist orgs and people who were not psychiatrists or psychologists. It is true that the first 'documented' use (this is not the first use) might be a gay rights activist using it sarcastically (a neologism) in a hardcore porn mag,
but,
the reason it got popular was because activists and their propagandists began using it at every turn, media, placard.
Eventually the dictionary recognized it as a word being used to mean 'fear of homosexuals' (it is used that way).

But suppose there was such a thing?
An irrational fear of homosexuals or homosexuality?
I suppose there is.
Why should you want to prosecute those with this mental illness?
Why do you love the idea of threatening them with 'warnings' as if their mental problem was a crime?
Why do you want to 'lock up' homophobia sufferers?
I suppose you would like to straight-jacket them and gag them too?

These people suffer from an illness and how dare you talk of 'locking them up' and 'threatening them' to be silent!
First they are victims and now people like you want to victimize them even further for it.
There is increasing evidence that they may very well have been born this way. Its not a 'choice' but simply 'who they are' and who are you to condemn them?

Quite seriously, people like you make me sick to my stomach. Spewing hatred and bullying those with weaknesses is the worst thing there is. People like you are what is wrong with the world today and unless you learn to change your attitudes we never progress.

First you need to stop calling them 'homophobic' because that is simply unacceptable and insulting.
It starts with words.
They are called 'gay panic response sufferers' and don't need to be called derogatory names by you.

Next you need to start being a little more tolerant. Actually a LOT more tolerant. GPR people are JUST LIKE YOU AND ME and you have no right to stop them, tell them when to talk or what to do.
EVEN IF you disagree with GPR Sufferers (fine) but TOLERANCE for EVERYONE ought to be where you stand.

Last but not least - once you start using the proper terms and start learning to be tolerant you may then actually try and LEARN about GPR Sufferers!
get over your ignorance and become educated about GPR,
and,
wow.. you might even try and MEET some GPR Sufferers and realize they are actually normal people like you and me who have jobs and families and goals and not these 'horrible monsters' you make them out to be.

Its time people like you STOP your homophobist hate-spewing censoring of GPR people.

well said lad

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Homophobia is a made-up mental illness that was popularized by gay activist orgs and people who were not psychiatrists or psychologists. It is true that the first 'documented' use (this is not the first use) might be a gay rights activist using it sarcastically (a neologism) in a hardcore porn mag,
but,
the reason it got popular was because activists and their propagandists began using it at every turn, media, placard.
Eventually the dictionary recognized it as a word being used to mean 'fear of homosexuals' (it is used that way).

For the record, I don't think homophobes are mentally ill nor that they need locking up. They are just ignorant, uneducated and/or insecure people like the poster above me. It seems you put words in... just about everybody's mouths there.

Speaking of mental illness, I'm sure any psychiatrist would have a field day with your whacko conspiracy theories and protracted, inarticulate rambling. To say nothing of your internalised homophobia.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

For the record, I don't think homophobes are mentally ill nor that they need locking up. They are just ignorant, uneducated and/or insecure people like the poster above me. It seems you put words in... just about everybody's mouths there.

Speaking of mental illness, I'm sure any psychiatrist would have a field day with your whacko conspiracy theories and protracted, inarticulate rambling. To say nothing of your internalised homophobia.

I think there is a lot of confusion over people who are not gay who dislike what gay people do sexually (men) which is around 99.9% of the population and those who bully and abuse gay people because they dislike them because they do not conform to their nasty worldview.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think there is a lot of confusion over people who are not gay who dislike what gay people do sexually (men) which is around 99.9% of the population and those who bully and abuse gay people because they dislike them because they do not conform to their nasty worldview.

No, I don't think there is much confusion at all. Your just being incredibly vague about it.

Obviously a straight man would not like a cock up his ass, that's perfectly acceptable and inevitable. After all a gay man probably wouldn't like to stick his own party stick in a vag. Nobody is talking about these people. Far and beyond that plenty of real homophobes exist. People who just don't like gays on a cultural & social level, as well as but not always religious and ethical ones.

Just .. don't like the people. Hatred. I'm talking about hate. It's almost recreational hate. Some ignorant, intolerable people just ... need things to hate. Beats me why. But the gays are an old favourite. The ***** are another one. It's got nothing to do with the very different idea of simply not being comftorable participating in or watching a sexual act that's not natural or appealing to you. Nobody is 'discriminating' against these people, which you are forever trying to point out.

Just like you seem to forever be marginalizing the very real concept of homophobia whenever the situation arises.

That's a rather strange route to take in most accepting peoples eyes.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Homophobia is a made-up mental illness that was popularized by gay activist orgs and people who were not psychiatrists or psychologists. It is true that the first 'documented' use (this is not the first use) might be a gay rights activist using it sarcastically (a neologism) in a hardcore porn mag,......


They are called 'gay panic response sufferers' and don't need to be called derogatory names by you.

wow.. you might even try and MEET some GPR Sufferers and realize they are actually normal people like you and me who have jobs and families and goals and not these 'horrible monsters' you make them out to be.

Its time people like you STOP your homophobist hate-spewing censoring of GPR people.

Wow you really are clutching at straws now Elprox, Gay Panic response is a defence used by people who after assaulting or even killing a homosexual have used the temporary insanity get out clause to being approached sexually by the person they have assaulted etc.

Note the word "insanity", so you pretty much admit to those you claim are gay panic sufferers as having a mental impairment. Well done mate, case proven.

It doesnt wash in the UK nor does the syndrome you mentioned.

Homophobia is an acceptable term for the irrational fear of gays, end of.

If people are so insecure in their own sexuality they feel threatened by the presence of someone who is gay, either because of previous trauma or more likely because of their own insecurities about thier own sexuality, then yes they do need some form of therapy. In a way what you are suggesting could be extended to giving anyone a get out of jail free card. " I thought he was gay your honour and after me arse so I twatted him" Yeah that really works.

Homophobia was defined as a state of mind by psychologists not by gay rights activists. No matter how much you and your homophobic mates argue it wasnt.

[Wildcat!]

The thing is, there is a difference between, what technically, homophobia is (fear of homosexual), I suppose technically it would be something they cant control, I know there are people like that, who actually have a genuine fear, for one reason or another.

BUt what most people call homophobia, we all know what it is, weather its technically correct or not, its the people who hate/discriminate/look down upon, people who are homosexuals. If you ask most people, thats what they would tell you homophobia is. unless you break down the word, or look up the meaning, most people see it as that, and, me personally, even though I know the real definition of the word, in everyday conversations, I use it as the general consensus meaning of the word, so its really silly to get technical about it. We all know what most peolpe mean, by homophobia.

Not exactly the same thing , but its similar to when people call you racist, for not liking foreigners, or not liking someone from a certain religion. Technically, it shouldnt be, but most people will just call you racist.

And btW, i thought El proximo, was just being sarcastic, and making jokes, i didnt think it was a serious post!

[Shaun]

a male Wombai

[Crimson Dynamo]

i cant believe I spelled church wrong

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i cant believe I spelled church wrong

You'll be excomunicated by Gavin deep deep in the Highlands - Or sent to Switzerland

Can you pick Sweety Samy and biglover back up on the way home in a white military jumbo? thanks - Kerry goes to Iceland in them, but there's one in Inverness LT - not sure of Elgin.........ask Shas

Frozen teas @ LT's house with Samy and biglover'sister Joanne sounds super

Who invented the name for this site as TIBB (Fawlty) Towers - prey remind me..