[Roy Mars III]

she got busted for steroid use and lost all her medals as well.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

omg, australian outback basically DEFINED survivor for all seasons to come, it was good. and i know Gabon wasn't popular, but i rewatched it recently, and i think the funniest and best tribal council ever came from Gabon, the tribal where Crystal was screaming into the camera during the vote about how much she hated Randy, and then Randy looked all smug cause he thought he had an Immunity idol, but it turned out to be a fake idol and jeff threw it in the fire. OMG it was amazing. Also Bob was probably the most likable winner ever. He really was an amazing, intelligent, kind, decent man. I loved Bob!

I just hate seasons where they aren't a lot of game play. There was never really any power shifts. Gabon wasn't terrible, but it was kind of boring. I liked Bob.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Amazon was a terrible season. Should have put that in my list actually.

Maybe I'm remembering it too highly, haven't seen it in years. Really like Rob C though, and his survivor podcast is great

[SoBig]

One thing I hate about Cook Islands. Yul had too much power with that idol. It was the most powerful idol ever. It carried him all the way to the finals. You couldn't even blindside him, because he could play the idol after the votes were counted. WTF

That bs cost Ozzy the win.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

she got busted for steroid use and lost all her medals as well.

did she get busted for steroid use? i thought her medal got taken away because marion jones was on her team and marion jones got busted. and because Crystal's medal was in a relay event with marion, the whole relay team lost the medals.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Maybe I'm remembering it too highly, haven't seen it in years. Really like Rob C though, and his survivor podcast is great

I watched it back in September, Rob C just flipped a lot. He wasn't some great mastermind. He even flipped when he didn't needed too. That's what cost him at the end. He wasn't even a better player than Fairplay.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by lostalex

did she get busted for steroid use? i thought her medal got taken away because marion jones was on her team and marion jones got busted. and because Crystal's medal was in a relay event with marion, the whole relay team lost the medals.

that might of been it, not really sure

[Roy Mars III]

Penner is one of my favourite players ever. Totally forgot about him

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

One thing I hate about Cook Islands. Yul had too much power with that idol. It was the most powerful idol ever. It carried him all the way to the finals. You couldn't even blindside him, because he could play the idol after the votes were counted. WTF

That bs cost Ozzy the win.

The problem with Ozzy is, he should have held his cards closer to his chest. Ozzy was mr. Tarzan all around camp and in all the challenges so he was obviously always the biggest threat, that was always Ozzy's problem, showing off too much and always putting a huge target on his back.

I love Ozzy, but that was always his biggest mistake, trying to show off his physical skills all the time, which made everyone else feel threatened.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Penner is one of my favourite players ever. Totally forgot about him

Cook Islands had a great cast. Parvati, Ozzy, Yul, Penner and Candice.

And that old Asian dude. He was hilarious.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The problem with Ozzy is, he should have held his cards closer to his chest. Ozzy was mr. Tarzan all around camp and in all the challenges so he was obviously always the biggest threat, that was always Ozzy's problem, showing off too much and always putting a huge target on his back.

I love Ozzy, but that was always his biggest mistake, trying to show off his physical skills all the time, which made everyone else feel threatened.

That didn't cost him in Cook Islands. He made it to the finals and lost by ONE VOTE. Adam said he wanted to vote for Ozzy, but he made a promise to Yul that he would vote for him if they voted off Penner first. But at the finals Ozzy said they were planning to vote off Penner anyway wasn't Yul's decision.

[lostalex]

Well exactly, in the end, because Yul was so well spoken and intelligent, they all saw Yul as being more of a mastermind, and more strategic, and they just saw Ozzy as the guy that got there through pure brute strength.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Favourite: Cook Islands, Heroes vs Villians, Samoa and South Pacific.

Least: Borneo, The Australian Outback and Gabon

This is the worst opinion I have ever seen.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I was bored the whole time. no great characters.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

did she get busted for steroid use? i thought her medal got taken away because marion jones was on her team and marion jones got busted. and because Crystal's medal was in a relay event with marion, the whole relay team lost the medals.

Marion Jones was for Sydney, Crystal was for Athens, but essentially the same thing happened (Crystal only ran in the prelims though.)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Cook Islands had a great cast. Parvati, Ozzy, Yul, Penner and Candice.

And that old Asian dude. He was hilarious.

6/20 isn't great by any means. And Yul (and Ozzy) are very questionable to put in there as well. Parvati too, she never really hit her stride as a character until FvF

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Had everything to do with Russell. She was his lap dog. Russell controlled his own fate, Natalie didn't. Everyone that Russell wanted voted off, went home in both HvV and Samoa. He controlled the whole game.

If Russell wasn't there Natalie would have been one of the first to go.

Natalie wasn't a terrible player, but she wasn't a great one either.

@ how this post has nothing to do with my point. Natalie saw right away that if you try to oppose Russell, he'll go to hell and back just to get you voted off. Happened with Marisa, happened with Betsy. She puffed Russell's ego up and as we clearly saw, it did him in at the end of it all. It's just ludicrous how someone can be "the best player to never win" by making alliances and haphazardly backstabbing them immediately after. If you think that'll get you votes in the end, you're delusional.

And no, Natalie wouldn't have. She was the most liked person in her tribe and without Russell, her strategy would've have been different because it involved Russell. Natalie created personal bonds with everyone she came across, nobody disliked her.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Look, stop arguing, Natalie was a weak player, that's WHY she made it to the final. Everyone knows that bringing a weak player to the final increases your chances of winning, and the the only reason that Natalie made the final was because Russell saw her as a weak player and thought "there's no way anyone would vote for her over me". So he CARRIED her to the end.

Obviously Russell underestimated the jury's hate for him. That jury would have voted for Osama Bin Laden over him they hated him so much.

You pretty much just defined why Natalie isn't a week player She certainly came across as nonthreatening, but perception isn't reality. Certainly she's not the best player ever, but she's definitely the best of her season. She saw how the whole season would work right away and adapted to it. Russell had to beat 16 people, Natalie had to beat 1, and she did so rather easily at that. Russell could've taken Jaison, Mick, and Liz into the merge and maybe things would've been different. Natalie charmed the pants off of Russell and that's what makes her dangerous! Russell didn't see that, brought Natalie along, and what did she do? Charm the pants off of Galu.

You think Russell UNDERESTIMATED the Jury's hate for him? He was BLIND to it! How can someone be the best player ever if they could never, ever win a Jury vote. Like you said, they would've voted for Osama bin Laden over him. How does that make you a good player?

[rk3388]

troy stop being so patronizing your on an online forums ffs were not children

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by rk3388

troy stop being so patronizing your on an online forums ffs were not children

How am I being patronizing? I'm stating the facts and if you can't see it, well that's your business. You said (in all caps, if you wanna talk about being childish) that Russell's best chance was against Natalie. Besides the fact that that's probably wrong, it shows how bad of a player Russell is if he brought the person he had the BEST chance of beating to the end and lost 7-2-0 But it's okay, he's Russell Hantz.

[rk3388]

"Seriously you don't have a clue about the game if you think that's the case.
Ive been watching this show since kindergarten.
|

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by rk3388

"Seriously you don't have a clue about the game if you think that's the case.
Ive been watching this show since kindergarten.
|

Okay? That doesn't mean you're oh so knowledgeable on everything. Russell blew his chances before the merge. Go into the merge with whiny Jaison, pretentious (and feckless) Mick, and impersonal Liz? Seems like a pretty strong group of goats to me.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

vv

This is why Russell Hantz is the greatest strategist and manipulator in the history of Survivor.

HvV

Youtube video

Samoa

Youtube video

Youtube video

WHO SAVED NATALIE THERE TROY!?!?!

If she was so good socially why was she on the chopping block? I thought she would charm her way to the end? Russell convinced people to flip their vote. He SAVED her. Natalie was going home. Same with Paravtii. He saved both of them.

You better respect that man.

[Roy Mars III]

the problem with Russell is his arrogance, that was his downfall. He might have had a chance if he would have kept that in check

[SharkAttack]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

the problem with Russell is his arrogance, that was his downfall. He might have had a chance if he would have kept that in check

Totally agreed, his ferocious gameplay needs to leave room for people not completely despising him for what he's done. IMO, he could never win the show based on history alone. I think this is why Coach was doomed last season.