[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh, heart disease isn't the only thing that fat people get, even though it must put a massive strain on the heart to pump blood round an obese person. They're at a greater risk of cancer, for a start. Then there's diabetes, liver disease, incontinence problems are far greater in obese people, kidney disease, stroke, cellulitus, sleep apnea, arthritis, gaut... Obesity-related problems cost the NHS more than smoking-related diseases, and while smoking is down, obesity rates are up. And the hardworking taxpayer is paying for them because while smokers and drinkers contribute more through taxes, fat people contribute no more but cost more.

Yes but each case varies, those can turn up in anyone, why should people be punished for being a certain weight?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i do not agree about taxing food more beacuse good healthy food cost more!
its the super markets and shops that should be held responsible and the people that pruduce these cheap meals,
also the pubs sell the cheap booze so people drink more than they should and end up in a and e or being dealt with by the police,costing the tax payer more money

People aren't stupid, they know what they're stuffing into their mouths is bad for them. I don't see why supermarkets and restaurants have to take responsibility for people being fat. It's all about balance. You can eat something unhealthy a couple of times a week... you can't eat it every day though, and some people do. And healthy food needn't cost more.

I'm going to let it go this time sheriff... but dont ever, ever disagree with me again................

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JH95

Yes but each case varies, those can turn up in anyone, why should people be punished for being a certain weight?

Because if you're fat, you're many more times likely to suffer from these diseases. Look at the stats, find out what the health service is up against with rising obesity. Some people are merrily eating themselves to death, taking no responsibility for themselves at all and putting a massive strain on an already overloaded health service.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Livia

People aren't stupid, they know what they're stuffing into their mouths is bad for them. I don't see why supermarkets and restaurants have to take responsibility for people being fat. It's all about balance. You can eat something unhealthy a couple of times a week... you can't eat it every day though, and some people do. And healthy food needn't cost more.

I'm going to let it go this time sheriff... but dont ever, ever disagree with me again................

This 100%

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh, heart disease isn't the only thing that fat people get, even though it must put a massive strain on the heart to pump blood round an obese person. They're at a greater risk of cancer, for a start. Then there's diabetes, liver disease, incontinence problems are far greater in obese people, kidney disease, stroke, cellulitus, sleep apnea, arthritis, gaut... Obesity-related problems cost the NHS more than smoking-related diseases, and while smoking is down, obesity rates are up. And the hardworking taxpayer is paying for them because while smokers and drinkers contribute more through taxes, fat people contribute no more but cost more.

there are a lot obese people that work so they pay tax that goes to the health service.
also if you are an alcoholic or a junkie they will not be giving anything back only takeing far more than an obese person

[thesheriff443]

i dont think people are stupid,well some are of course,lol
but if you are from a working class family of say four you are more likely to buy in bulk and its these cheap bulky meals that do a lot of damage plus selling there own cakes that they make in store like a large cherry pie for a pound or ten dounuts for 1.50.

[Mrluvaluva]

Maybe local councils could take over tending to the problems in their own areas. Soup kitchens could be set up, which would in turn entice overweight people to them with the offer of free food. They could then be shot on sight, which would make culling easy. Alternatively they could be clubbed to death, but a shot to the head would be more humane. They are after all a drain on resources. For example, their clothes have to be bigger than the average size person. Therefore more material is needed, and more time for them to be made, and therefore more labour. It's not fair on the rest of us.

Alternatively a fat tax could be set up, with varying charges, depending on what band you fall in (in relation to your size). It would encourage people to slim down so they would pay lower taxes the thinner they were.

Or maybe just put them all on an island together with no food readily available and let them eat each other.

There's loads of possibilities...The only trouble is it could push this problem underground with the use of toning body stockings and vacuum packs for these people to hide their true selves in public and con the authorities. Illegal fat clubs would emerge where these people could mix with like minded individuals and big money could be made on the black market. It's an ongoing problem, and a tough one to solve.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Maybe local councils could take over tending to the problems in their own areas. Soup kitchens could be set up, which would in turn entice overweight people to them with the offer of free food. They could then be shot on sight, which would make culling easy. Alternatively they could be clubbed to death, but a shot to the head would be more humane. They are after all a drain on resources. For example, their clothes have to be bigger than the average size person. Therefore more material is needed, and more time for them to be made, and therefore more labour. It's not fair on the rest of us.

Alternatively a fat tax could be set up, with varying charges, depending on what band you fall in (in relation to your size). It would encourage people to slim down so they would pay lower taxes the thinner they were.

Or maybe just put them all on an island together with no food readily available and let them eat each other.

There's loads of possibilities...The only trouble is it could push this problem underground with the use of toning body stockings and vacuum packs for these people to hide their true selves in public and con the authorities. Illegal fat clubs would emerge where these people could mix with like minded individuals and big money could be made on the black market. It's an ongoing problem, and a tough one to solve.

i think you pose a real threat
a voice comes from a dark alley,
i got a kilo of sausage meat

[arista]

Fat Tax is in Denmark
but we do not need it here , MrL.

Yes and thesherrif443
in the Future Black Market traders
will be banned for good.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

Fat Tax is in Denmark
but we do not need it here , MrL.

Yes and thesherrif443
in the Future Black Market traders
will be banned for good.

did you see it on the news the other night this woman was selling a rat that had been cooked with its skin and fur on for 30 pound,
other meat cooked this way was is being sold elegally from meat sellers.

[LemonJam]

Disagree on the idea of an inspection but agree it's something that should be targeted. At the end of the day though a lot of it's in the hands of the advertising media. They can show as many "motivating" programs as they like with "after 4 months of diet and exercise look how fabulous she looks!" but then in the adverts they'll be throwing convenient fast food restaurants and sugar-laden drinks/snacks in your face.

Even in cartoons which children grow up with they'll be advertising unhealthy foods as "rewards" or something the characters love and eat regularly (often with no weight gaining consequence). I guess we don't realise that we have that mentality plugged into us until it's too late.

As mentioned before I think a big issue is the price of healthier food. As someone who grew up with a very health concious family when I go to buy food on a student budget trying to get healthy foods (imparticularly fruit) in my diet isn't easy, especially when there's a decent cheap multi-pack of own brand crisps or sugar-smothered biscuits around 50p-Ł1. That said, if they were to make healthier things cheaper, would that mean that the work gone into growing them wouldn't get the credit it deserved? I'm not sure how much a farmer would make per bag of carrots but part of me imagines it isn't much (unless they own a ridiculous amount of land or w/e).

Wow I've rambled and most of that probably isn't relevant. -posts anyway-

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

did you see it on the news the other night this woman was selling a rat that had been cooked with its skin and fur on for 30 pound,
other meat cooked this way was is being sold elegally from meat sellers.

Yes African Seller
on a Market Stall on London News.




Terrible.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Disagree on the idea of an inspection but agree it's something that should be targeted. At the end of the day though a lot of it's in the hands of the advertising media. They can show as many "motivating" programs as they like with "after 4 months of diet and exercise look how fabulous she looks!" but then in the adverts they'll be throwing convenient fast food restaurants and sugar-laden drinks/snacks in your face.

Even in cartoons which children grow up with they'll be advertising unhealthy foods as "rewards" or something the characters love and eat regularly (often with no weight gaining consequence). I guess we don't realise that we have that mentality plugged into us until it's too late.

As mentioned before I think a big issue is the price of healthier food. As someone who grew up with a very health concious family when I go to buy food on a student budget trying to get healthy foods (imparticularly fruit) in my diet isn't easy, especially when there's a decent cheap multi-pack of own brand crisps or sugar-smothered biscuits around 50p-Ł1. That said, if they were to make healthier things cheaper, would that mean that the work gone into growing them wouldn't get the credit it deserved? I'm not sure how much a farmer would make per bag of carrots but part of me imagines it isn't much (unless they own a ridiculous amount of land or w/e).

Wow I've rambled and most of that probably isn't relevant. -posts anyway-

dont be silly this was a real relivant post.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Disagree on the idea of an inspection but agree it's something that should be targeted. At the end of the day though a lot of it's in the hands of the advertising media. They can show as many "motivating" programs as they like with "after 4 months of diet and exercise look how fabulous she looks!" but then in the adverts they'll be throwing convenient fast food restaurants and sugar-laden drinks/snacks in your face. Even in cartoons which children grow up with they'll be advertising unhealthy foods as "rewards" or something the characters love and eat regularly (often with no weight gaining consequence). I guess we don't realise that we have that mentality plugged into us until it's too late. As mentioned before I think a big issue is the price of healthier food. As someone who grew up with a very health concious family when I go to buy food on a student budget trying to get healthy foods (imparticularly fruit) in my diet isn't easy, especially when there's a decent cheap multi-pack of own brand crisps or sugar-smothered biscuits around 50p-Ł1. That said, if they were to make healthier things cheaper, would that mean that the work gone into growing them wouldn't get the credit it deserved? I'm not sure how much a farmer would make per bag of carrots but part of me imagines it isn't much (unless they own a ridiculous amount of land or w/e). Wow I've rambled and most of that probably isn't relevant. -posts anyway-

But with a Inspection on Every Home
we can reach the
Rich , Middle and Poor.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

No as they end up in Hospital
and Cost us more.

No more leaving them alone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...er-report.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...systems-money/

[arista]

Yes Vicky one report
but its not the Whole Story.

[HBB1508]

Maybe we should just set up gas chambers and gas all overweight people because they don't fit in with our vision of the world...........................