[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Livia

Exhibit A) Excellently executed post summing up from experience the pain and solitude of depression and touching on the emotional turmoil that people go through which distances them from the people they love and who love them.



Exhibit B) A conclusion reached on this very profound topic after reading something that was badly written in one ENORMOUS paragraph, on Facebook. Love ya Sam... but... no.

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

I know its bull****... But it puts it into perspective. I mean your family are going to find you and never recover fully. Your friends feel like **** for not noticing. It really does affect everyone around you, leaving everyone around you unstable.

Oh and i've been sigged by Ninastar

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I know its bull****... But it puts it into perspective. I mean your family are going to find you and never recover fully. Your friends feel like **** for not noticing. It really does affect everyone around you, leaving everyone around you unstable.

Oh and i've been sigged by Ninastar

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

So many people don't care though. Especially teens on facebook. They have no idea how it feels to be that sad, and they don't care.

I swear younger kids are becoming more and more selfish. It's horrible

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Livia

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

As I said in the other post, Nobody can ever put into words how mentally tortured people who commit suicide. I dont think most people can even relate to it to any extent. I know we all have bad days etc. but going through so much pain constantly to the point you feel you cant live can never be understood fully, we can only Empathise the poor people who have to go through this.

[Glenn.]

But the underlining topic of the Facebook thing is true. People get hurt due to suicide.

I feel more for the people that have to pick up the pieces after someone they love kills themselves, not the person who kills themselves. If that makes me a stupid, heartless moron then

[thesheriff443]

for me, if someone does it without seeking help then it is selfish and more so if its beacuse of debt.
for me, when you have tryed everything the last thing you try is again.

[Ninastar]

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

Its terrible to think people get to this point, I mean we all get depressed at times but never to the point of thinking of finishing it all. Has your friend gone to a doctor?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

Its terrible to think people get to this point, I mean we all get depressed at times but never to the point of thinking of finishing it all. Has your friend gone to a doctor?

she's always at the doctor

she doesn't want to go on meds, but I keep telling her that she needs to.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

she's always at the doctor

she doesn't want to go on meds, but I keep telling her that she needs to.

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

one anti depresant was removed beacuse there where so many cases of suicide while people where taking them.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

She doesn't even take medicine if she gets a headache, so I think she struggles with the thought of taking meds for this

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

depression is caused by a chemical not being produced in the brain,
unless you have been there you can never fully understand it.

[Jords]

Its a difficult thing to do of course, but it is the easy "way out" of resolving/coping with something.

[Alf]

is suicide the easy way out?

i dont know, i haven't tried it

[billy123]

Has anybody here ever seen the documentary The bridge it is a very emotional and well made documentary made in 2006 where a film company filmed the golden gate bridge solidly for a year a place where nearly 1 person every week decides to end their lives and caught many of those moments on film and followed them up with interviews with the familys of the jumpers.

The subject is very sensitive and very emotive yet very well dealt with and goes into depth with the events that lead up to the sometimes quite distressing scenes that were captured during the years filming.

Some of the familys had even come to terms with the fact that loved ones were due to be lost within the next few weeks and had asked the jumpers just for a quick call to say goodbye before they went.

It is available to watch online but i wont post it here as it contains quite upsetting scenes so its just the trailer.

Youtube video

There are always two sides to a story and there is no right and wrong in a subject like this but some of the comments calling the act of suicide "a beautiful thing" or calling someone elses opinion "idiotic" or "moronic" or "ridiculous" is both out of line and outright silly.

The act of suicide that is deemed essential by the person that commits it can also be viewed as the easy way out by people who cared about that person none of them are wrong and certainly shouldnt be criticised for thinking that way.

Mental illness is a horrible saddening and still not a widely understood disease and it doesnt just effect the sufferer it effects their whole family and everybody they know.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Has anybody here ever seen the documentary The bridge it is a very emotional and well made documentary made in 2006 where a film company filmed the golden gate bridge solidly for a year a place where nearly 1 person every week decides to end their lives and caught many of those moments on film and followed them up with interviews with the familys of the jumpers.

The subject is very sensitive and very emotive yet very well dealt with and goes into depth with the events that lead up to the sometimes quite distressing scenes that were captured during the years filming.

Some of the familys had even come to terms with the fact that loved ones were due to be lost within the next few weeks and had asked the jumpers just for a quick call to say goodbye before they went.

It is available to watch online but i wont post it here as it contains quite upsetting scenes so its just the trailer.

Youtube video

There are always two sides to a story and there is no right and wrong in a subject like this but some of the comments calling the act of suicide "a beautiful thing" or calling someone elses opinion "idiotic" or "moronic" or "ridiculous" is both out of line and outright silly.

The act of suicide that is deemed essential by the person that commits it can also be viewed as the easy way out by people who cared about that person none of them are wrong and certainly shouldnt be criticised for thinking that way.

Mental illness is a horrible saddening and still not a widely understood disease and it doesnt just effect the sufferer it effects their whole family and everybody they know.

I've heard of this documentary and have been meaning to watch ot for a while, but keep putting it off.

There is something about suicide that fascinates me (morbid as it may sound) but the state of mind in somebody that chooses to end their life must be so hard to comprehend.

And just to throw this out there for those that say all suicide is selfish, what about those that jumped from the towers in 9/11. They knew they were going to die either way, it was either burn or jump. Was that a selfish act?

[Ammi]

[QUOTE=ukturtle;5543284]I've heard of this documentary and have been meaning to watch ot for a while, but keep putting it off.

There is something about suicide that fascinates me (morbid as it may sound) but the state of mind in somebody that chooses to end their life must be so hard to comprehend.

And just to throw this out there for those that say all suicide is selfish, what about those that jumped from the towers in 9/11. They knew they were going to die either way, it was either burn or jump. Was that a selfish act?[/QUOTE]

..maybe it was a choice of death...or possibly just an instinctive reaction..?

...it's not something that will ever get answered...only hope that we're never in that situation to be able to know, ourselves...

[thesheriff443]

[QUOTE=Ammi;5543287]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

I've heard of this documentary and have been meaning to watch ot for a while, but keep putting it off.

There is something about suicide that fascinates me (morbid as it may sound) but the state of mind in somebody that chooses to end their life must be so hard to comprehend.

And just to throw this out there for those that say all suicide is selfish, what about those that jumped from the towers in 9/11. They knew they were going to die either way, it was either burn or jump. Was that a selfish act?[/QUOTE]

..maybe it was a choice of death...or possibly just an instinctive reaction..?

...it's not something that will ever get answered...only hope that we're never in that situation to be able to know, ourselves...

you are talking about two totaly different situations and trying to compare them,


i knew someone that had a brain tumor that was going to kill him at somepoint,
he had a row with his wife beacuse the tumor was changeing him as a person,
he went and hung him self!
every situation and reasons behind suicide are different.

[Glenn.]

The 9/11 issue is completely different. The jumpers knew they were going to die and chose to do it their way.

[chuff me dizzy]

No ,I think its far from an easy way out,it takes guts

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No ,I think its far from an easy way out,it takes guts

it takes more guts to face it head on and think of your children up stairs in their beds!

dying is easy its living thats hard!

[the truth]

i dont think its a matter of easy or not easy, nothing is easy. it also varies totally on personal situations and of course health too

it is the quickest way out, whereas rebuilding a life take long term planning, luck, hard work, dedication, vision, strong will, time, imagination, usually good friends and family too

id advice anyone who feels that low to think again. find things that you enjoy, take comfort in the smaller things in life, the landscape, a gentle walk, a cup of tea, stroking your cat, I have to say I think alcohol is a total waste of time and energy too, as is smoking and drugs, utterly mindless preoccupations....i wish someone in power would just come out and say, smoking drinking and drugs is plain stupid....try and enjoy a sunday free of hangovers, sickness, debts, injuries from fighting, free from drug addiction, sometimes we go for the big things and dont take enough pleasure in the little things, try and remember your dreams as a child, not just i want to be an astronaut, but i want to ride a horse, walk up snowdon, swim in the sea, fly a kite, ride your bike, build a boat, write a play, learn to play music, read all those great books....stay sober, avoid conflict, save your energy and engage in positive creative pursuits

[the truth]

to all those down or depressed or frustrated private message me, I the truth will always at least try to cheer you up. I believe most problems are practical and physical, if you can ease the practical and physical problems, then you can attack the mental, spiritual emotional, thats just my theory

but better that that, may I suggest you get a copy of desiderate on your wall and have a read every other day

Desiderata-Lust for life!

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

© Max Ehrmann 1927

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

to all those down or depressed or frustrated private message me, I the truth will always at least try to cheer you up. I believe most problems are practical and physical, if you can ease the practical and physical problems, then you can attack the mental, spiritual emotional, thats just my theory.............. etc. etc. etc.

I think if someone was so depressed they were contemplating suicide, reciting the Desiderata isn't going to help much. Neither is telling them to go for long walks and to take pleasure in the little things. If they could do that, they would.