[Ninastar]

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

Oh yes, I agree. Sam is most certainly allowed his opinion. He's bright though; so it surprises me that his opinion comes from that piece. I don't mean to offend him.

[Glenn.]

But the underlining topic of the Facebook thing is true. People get hurt due to suicide.

I feel more for the people that have to pick up the pieces after someone they love kills themselves, not the person who kills themselves. If that makes me a stupid, heartless moron then

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh yes, I agree. Sam is most certainly allowed his opinion. He's bright though; so it surprises me that his opinion comes from that piece. I don't mean to offend him.

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Livia

Exhibit A) Excellently executed post summing up from experience the pain and solitude of depression and touching on the emotional turmoil that people go through which distances them from the people they love and who love them.



Exhibit B) A conclusion reached on this very profound topic after reading something that was badly written in one ENORMOUS paragraph, on Facebook. Love ya Sam... but... no.

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

I know its bull****... But it puts it into perspective. I mean your family are going to find you and never recover fully. Your friends feel like **** for not noticing. It really does affect everyone around you, leaving everyone around you unstable.

Oh and i've been sigged by Ninastar

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

True. Articles like that are one-sided. Someone suffering from depression, as Ammi said, doesn't have the capacity to think about those around them. I don't think they have enough emotion left for anyone else. It's very sad all round.

[thesheriff443]

for me, if someone does it without seeking help then it is selfish and more so if its beacuse of debt.
for me, when you have tryed everything the last thing you try is again.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I know its bull****... But it puts it into perspective. I mean your family are going to find you and never recover fully. Your friends feel like **** for not noticing. It really does affect everyone around you, leaving everyone around you unstable.

Oh and i've been sigged by Ninastar

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

I agree with this, You get people who actually do bully people thinking there all high and mighty by posting statuses. No amount of words can describe the pain caused from suicide, the effects it causes and the pain the people who kill themselves go through.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

So many people don't care though. Especially teens on facebook. They have no idea how it feels to be that sad, and they don't care.

I swear younger kids are becoming more and more selfish. It's horrible

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I agree with this, You get people who actually do bully people thinking there all high and mighty by posting statuses. No amount of words can describe the pain caused from suicide, the effects it causes and the pain the people who kill themselves go through.

you're right.

but facebook is fake as hell, and I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that was a bully themselves, just looking for likes

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Livia

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

As I said in the other post, Nobody can ever put into words how mentally tortured people who commit suicide. I dont think most people can even relate to it to any extent. I know we all have bad days etc. but going through so much pain constantly to the point you feel you cant live can never be understood fully, we can only Empathise the poor people who have to go through this.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

you're right.

but facebook is fake as hell, and I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that was a bully themselves, just looking for likes

Very true, often stuff like this is from the village ***** who wants everyone to think she is so intelligent and deep, but really she needs lots of likes to feel accepted.

[Ninastar]

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

Its terrible to think people get to this point, I mean we all get depressed at times but never to the point of thinking of finishing it all. Has your friend gone to a doctor?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

Its terrible to think people get to this point, I mean we all get depressed at times but never to the point of thinking of finishing it all. Has your friend gone to a doctor?

she's always at the doctor

she doesn't want to go on meds, but I keep telling her that she needs to.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

depression is caused by a chemical not being produced in the brain,
unless you have been there you can never fully understand it.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

she's always at the doctor

she doesn't want to go on meds, but I keep telling her that she needs to.

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

one anti depresant was removed beacuse there where so many cases of suicide while people where taking them.

[Jords]

Its a difficult thing to do of course, but it is the easy "way out" of resolving/coping with something.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

She doesn't even take medicine if she gets a headache, so I think she struggles with the thought of taking meds for this

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

She doesn't even take medicine if she gets a headache, so I think she struggles with the thought of taking meds for this

she is better off without them,
medication only covers up the cracks.

[Sam:)]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

she is better off without them,
medication only covers up the cracks.

Not really, if someone is thinking of killing themselves they obviously need some help... These pills are proven to help and thats what she needs.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

she is better off without them,
medication only covers up the cracks.

No, medication helps people who need it to cope. If those with serious depression didn't take medication, the rate of suicides would be higher for starters.

[Ammi]

...I understand the facebook thing, from the black and white perspective of the effects on the other 'victims' of suicide. Of course it effects so many lives in so many ways, and that will stay with them forever. I can't imagine what it must be like for them. I don't think though, when people feel in such a dark place, that they're capable of any thought process which would consider anything beyond their darkness...in the same respect, it's hard for anyone who hasn't been in that dark place to understand either.....

....I doubt that people who find themselves there would think of it as an 'easy' way out....but as the only solution....

...of course it's a permanent solution, which can never be undone and has a devasting effect on so many people...in an ideal world, someone would have the capability of thinking..oh I need medication, therapy..etc...something to help me get my balance right....
...unfortunately, it doesn't work that way...in some places, thought process is impossible