[Jake.]

Originally Posted by anniek76

This reminds me of Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Relax. That was initially released and then subsequently banned by Radio 1- which drove it to number 1 and got it far more attention than it would have got otherwise and the same thing is happening here. I agree with jack it should just be played and that be the end of it, it stops getting the attention and goes back to being just a song from the wizard of oz

Very true Annie. If the trolls have their way for a week, it'll die down.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by JH95

Very true Ammi. If the trolls have their way for a week, it'll die down.

Am not Ammi, jake.

[Ammi]

..no worries Jake..Annie and I are practically the same person anyway.....

[Ammi]

..LOL...snap.....

[Ammi]

..it was Annie, Jake lol..

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it was Annie, Jake lol..

Oh for god sake haha, sorry Annie, have edited it now ...

[AnnieK]

That's ok...being called Ammi is a compliment

[Jake.]

I'm normally fine but for some reason now and again I mix up names without evening noticing haha

[Mystic Mock]

I don't agree with this campaign, although I must admit that I find it amusing.

But my point anyway is that we're suppose to be in a democracy and that the Government shouldn't be telling people how to feel, and the BBC should play the song as after all it is their job to play songs that are in the top 10.

I also think that the Tories aren't helping matters by spending 8 to 10 million pounds on a State Funeral, especially when this country is meant to be suffering financially.

[Z]

On the flip side of the coin, by playing the song they could be accused of taking the side of the anti-Thatcher camp, it swings both ways. I think they're just as likely to just not play the song and say they don't want to play it out of political sensitivity as they are to play the song and get on with it. They should be impartial, absolutely, but how do you weigh up impartiality in a case like this? Very intriguing to see what will happen...

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Zee

On the flip side of the coin, by playing the song they could be accused of taking the side of the anti-Thatcher camp, it swings both ways. I think they're just as likely to just not play the song and say they don't want to play it out of political sensitivity as they are to play the song and get on with it. They should be impartial, absolutely, but how do you weigh up impartiality in a case like this? Very intriguing to see what will happen...

But when the point of the chart show is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying during the week, to go out of their way to not do that would be them taking a stance on the issue (whether that's a political one or a moral one, it's not up to them to do so). If this makes the top 10 there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it should be played, the top 10 is now streamed live on the Radio 1 website and all the videos are played (again, I'm not sure if there is one for this but if there isn't usually they either have a listener made video [LOL at the thought] or just play it without one) so there'd be absolutely no excuse not to. I know there was a point the Official Chart went through where they didn't play every song from 40 - 11, and then this issue would be a little different cause they could get away with it if it didn't reach #10, but I'm sure that's changed now.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But when the point of the chart show is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying during the week, to go out of their way to not do that would be them taking a stance on the issue (whether that's a political one or a moral one, it's not up to them to do so). If this makes the top 10 there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it should be played, the top 10 is now streamed live on the Radio 1 website and all the videos are played (again, I'm not sure if there is one for this but if there isn't usually they either have a listener made video [LOL at the thought] or just play it without one) so there'd be absolutely no excuse not to. I know there was a point the Official Chart went through where they didn't play every song from 40 - 11, and then this issue would be a little different cause they could get away with it if it didn't reach #10, but I'm sure that's changed now.

As you said, they don't always play the forty songs in the countdown, and considering the length of the song they may well just omit it anyway and spend less than a minute explaining the context of its chart placing for that week. I agree that it's a chart show, it should play the chart, but as this is a politically sensitive issue, they'll be criticised for playing it and they'll be criticised for not playing it, so I think whatever transpires they'll try and give a very balanced view - to simply not play it or to simply play it, either way without an explanation, would be highly inflammatory.

[Jake.]

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

I have to agree with this. A lot of people have a chip on their shoulder about her because of what their parents tell them or w/e.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

You have a point, but you have got to remember that some of those younger people might have had parents that suffered really badly under Margaret Thatcher and are bitter towards her as it probably affected them in their childhood.

Although I still standby that she wasn't as bad as the likes of Robert Mugabe which is how some people make her out to be.

And before people say that I wasn't around during Thatcher's time, I think I would still have a good idea that she wasn't as bad as people like Robert Mugabe or Saddam Hussein.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JH95

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

Of course it's ridiculous, but refusing to play a song (as after all that's all it is) is going to make them look ridiculous, plus this country isn't suppose to be like China or Russia where we tell people what we can and can't do.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Of course it's ridiculous, but refusing to play a song (as after all that's all it is) is going to make them look ridiculous, plus this country isn't suppose to be like China or Russia where we tell people what we can and can't do.

It's not really though Mock, the song is being used as a parody as a womans death.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Hitler is a bit more evil than Thatcher though Jack lol.

Although I see your point.

I know that, I'm just making the point that you don't have to have lived in an era to dislike what a particular political figure did. I've seen a couple of posts in that other thread over the last few days which have almost suggested people should move on and stop blaming her for their lives, which to me, is utterly ridiculous because the effects of her polices and ideology is still prevalent today. I said it in the thread - Thatcher may have died but Thatcherism lives on, and there's no real cause for celebration.

Originally Posted by JH95

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

But the 'it's ridiculous' statement is just an opinion as I said to Ninastar (so I won't go over it all again ), you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out, and how to some of those people, this will not be a disgusting campaign at all - it's just a matter of opinion, there is no definitive answer.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But the 'it's ridiculous' statement is just an opinion as I said to Ninastar (so I won't go over it all again ), you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out, and how to some of those people, this will not be a disgusting campaign at all - it's just a matter of opinion, there is no definitive answer.

So the way to argue with this 'appalling' behaviour is to react with appalling behaviour?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But the 'it's ridiculous' statement is just an opinion as I said to Ninastar (so I won't go over it all again ), you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out, and how to some of those people, this will not be a disgusting campaign at all - it's just a matter of opinion, there is no definitive answer.

Depends from which perspective from which you look at it. It is not open for discussion that those who knew her must be suffering enough right now without these celebrations and that song topping the charts and it certainly isn't a matter of opinion that those grieving should be shown respect.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out

And I fully understand this, except what I don't understand is how some stupid campaign being done for a laugh is going to solve anything. Because it isn't.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

I respect what you're saying, but if people are stupid enough to start rioting over a dead woman then they're probably stupid enough not to form a valid opinion on her politics et al.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

I agree but I think jake is not referring to people like you who actually know what her policies were and what she stood for and dislike her for that but more people who just love a ruck as there is undoubtably this at play too.