[Spoon]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Well why bother with warning with no consequences?

Exactly. No wonder the warnings aren't taken seriously.

[jet]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Ashleigh should have been warned..and Helen should have been ejected as she was on her last warning.
All a bit of a farce really.

I agree, but we also don't know if Ashleigh got a warning or not. Helen got piles of warnings and only 2 were shown.

What is more worrying is that Helen was on a FINAL warning, and she has now got another one....what exactly is a final warning then....

[bots]

Originally Posted by jet

I agree, but we also don't know if Ashleigh got a warning or not. Helen got piles of warnings and only 2 were shown.

These piles of warnings, where are they, for which particular incidents. BB has been clear and documented formal warnings and made the public aware, so until BB tell us differently, its 2

We don't know any specifics about the nature of the formal warnings. A formal warning is a document relating to a breach of contract. So without knowing the details of that document, or the contract, anything else is pure conjecture.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

These piles of warnings, where are they, for which particular incidents. BB has been clear and documented formal warnings and made the public aware, so until BB tell us differently, its 2

We don't know any specifics about the nature of the formal warnings. A formal warning is a document relating to a breach of contract. So without knowing the details of that document, or the contract, anything else is pure conjecture.

Yeah but do you honestly believe that?2 warnings?

[jet]

After overhearing Ashleigh and Chris R Wright talking about her while she was in the bathroom, Helen snapped: I can’t believe I’ve just heard people speak about me like that, I actually just want to go in and smash her ******ing head in.”

She bitched: ******ing Cheeky ******ing b***h. I can’t believe the two faced little ******s!”

Later on, Helen was in the garden relaying what she heard. Helen claimed: “I’m going to get my own back, but I’m not going to tell them…I feel like p***ing all over the pillows, I feel like tearing the s**t, but I won’t even lower myself. I’m going to do something though…”

Can anyone seriously say Ashleigh's level of aggression was of this standard? Making out that it was just the same is ridiculous. Ashleigh shouldn't have said what she did either, but it was mild compared to that tirade.
Helen is a horrible, abusive person. How she can be defended is beyond me.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I do agree that Ashleigh should have got a warning for her comment, but the only thing I can think of RE why she didn't get one is that BB must have evaluated whether she said it in pure malice or was just saying something she didn't mean on a bad day?

Well exactly, warnings are (and always have been) based not just on what has actually been said, but the actual intention behind the comment and how the other person is likely to have taken it. e.g. that "Gangsta" girl from years ago who was ejected for saying that her "crew" would be seeing people's family, "brap brap brap", etc... it was said to be genuinely threatening and it was clear that other housemates might actually fear for their families. She was a genuinely threatening thug of a girl, who genuinely did have violent friends... so she was ejected immediately.

Threats that are obviously not serious, get a slap on the wrist if the "target" of the comments seems bothered, and nothing at all if they don't seem threatened / laugh it off.


To be frank... we all know, and Big Brother knows, and Ashleigh knows, and Christopher knows, and all of the other HM's know... that Ashleigh is clearly NOT actually going to smash anyone's head on anything at all. She might have said it in just as much anger, but the threat was paper thin.

Helen on the other hand... I have literally no doubt would punch someone she didn't like square in the face if she had a run-in with them on the outside world. It's not really LIKELY that she'll actually try to attack Ashleigh, definitely not in the house and still unlikely out of it... but, IMO, it's still a feasible threat and, more importantly, her INTENTION was to be intimidating, whereas Ashleigh was almost certainly just being inappropriately hyperbolic.

[bots]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yeah but do you honestly believe that?2 warnings?

Yes I do believe Helen has received 2 formal warnings. Again, we are talking about breach of contract here. These are physical documents

[kistar]

Originally Posted by jet

Can anyone seriously say Ashleigh's level of aggression was of this standard? Making out that it was just the same is ridiculous. Ashleigh shouldn't have said what she did either, but it was mild compared to that tirade.
Helen is a horrible, abusive person. How she can be defended is beyond me.

Exactly I totally agree.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Evicted housemates mentioned 19 warnings...this one makes it 20.
BB have obviously kept it quiet.

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

Two warnings are enough...third one out. I heard someone say 19...whatever she was on a final warning...she got it yesterday...why the **** is she still there?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Two warnings are enough...third one out. I heard someone say 19...whatever she was on a final warning...she got it yesterday...why the **** is she still there?

Exactly!

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

But those who have never been in the house think they know better. *sigh*
Matthew said 14 warnings though - unless a later evictee has said more?

I am only quoting what I heard....she's had far too many...enough a enough... 3warnings should get her slung out...14s too many.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I am only quoting what I heard....she's had far too many...enough a enough... 3warnings should get her slung out...14s too many.

Yep, 3, 14, 20. Doesn't make any difference. She should be long gone.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by jet

Can anyone seriously say Ashleigh's level of aggression was of this standard? Making out that it was just the same is ridiculous. Ashleigh shouldn't have said what she did either, but it was mild compared to that tirade.
Helen is a horrible, abusive person. How she can be defended is beyond me.

Only an Ashleigh hater or Helen fan would compare the 2 incidents. Ashleigh was sat at a table and her comment was out of frustration at having argued with Christopher. Similar to how she got annoyed with Chris.
Helen's rant was out of hatred and anger. Helen actually hates Ashleigh and did actually want to physically attack her. If they were not on BB Helen WOULD have carried out on her threat, Ashleigh would not.
Any objective person can see the clear difference.

[Kizzy]

Why even show it on the highlights then if they're bothered about how it'll be perceived by the viewers?
I tell you how it was perceived... as a damn double standard as nada happened to ashleigh following the threats she made to christopher.

[fitz2k2]

I bet if anyone in that house had same warning they would be out.There only keep Helen for ratings and that's it

[jet]

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did and the topic of the warning she got and how it was twisted around to make it about - ASHLEIGH.
There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts. It was irrelevant. All that mattered was that ASHLEIGH didn't get a warning.

Helen has been aggressive many many times, and received warnings or reprimands or whatever and a final warning for bullying. She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said. (It isn't even known whether she got a warning or not as the editing has been crap this year.) It's a very weak comparison yet there were posts seriously comparing them and even suggesting Ashleigh was on a par or even worse than Helen with that one comment.

DOUBLE STANDARDS are mentioned regarding Helen getting a warning and Ashleigh apparently not. It's a double standard to use the smoke screen of Ashleigh's comment to mask and dilute Helen's much more aggressive behavior and her warning for aggression, which was the topic of the thread.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people and the heat taken off her by diverting the topic to ASHLEIGH more often than not. Is it because they know Helen is really awful now but don't want to admit it? Why do they shy away from discussing HER behavior and put the spotlight on to - ASHLEIGH.
I wonder.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by jet

What is really interesting are the posts in this thread that just ignore what Helen did and the topic of the warning she got and how it was twisted around to make it about - ASHLEIGH.
There was no discussion of Helen and the reason for her aggression at all in many posts. It was irrelevant. All that mattered was that ASHLEIGH didn't get a warning.

Helen has been aggressive many many times, and received warnings or reprimands or whatever and a final warning for bullying. She gets yet another warning and it's unfair because ASHLEIGH didn't get one for her one and only aggressive comment, which I agree she shouldn't have said. (It isn't even known whether she got a warning or not as the editing has been crap this year.) It's a very weak comparison yet there were posts seriously comparing them and even suggesting Ashleigh was on a par or even worse than Helen with that one comment.

DOUBLE STANDARDS are mentioned regarding Helen getting a warning and Ashleigh apparently not. It's a double standard to use the smoke screen of Ashleigh's comment to mask and dilute Helen's much more aggressive behavior and her warning for aggression, which was the topic of the thread.

Why is it that everything Helen does has to be excused by certain people and the heat taken off her by diverting the topic to ASHLEIGH more often than not. Is it because they know Helen is really awful now but don't want to admit it? Why do they shy away from discussing HER behavior and put the spotlight on to - ASHLEIGH.
I wonder.

It's all about eggs. Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are good eggs. Helen and her cronies are bad eggs. Hopefully next Friday we have 3 good eggs sat on the sofa after the bad eggs have been thrown out.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Ashleigh saying it to Christopher wasn't as aggressive as Helen said it

Ashleigh said it to Christophers face whereas Helens was just venting to Ash. There was definately some double standards here.

[AarynGriesfan]

So this is what her 16th warning? Seems kinda pointless don't you think?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Achilles

It's all about eggs. Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher are good eggs. Helen and her cronies are bad eggs. Hopefully next Friday we have 3 good eggs sat on the sofa after the bad eggs have been thrown out.

Ashleigh AKA varruka salt is anything but a good egg

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ashleigh AKA varruka salt is anything but a good egg

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving £1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

[the truth]

ashleigh is also a pretty nasty aggressive person too....if BB grew some and kicked that idiot helen out we could actually get to know the others and id bet ashleigh would be exposed as the next nastiest housemate....as it stands she is going to win ,merely because she argued with helen. not because shes a hero, but because shes argumentative and bitchy herself

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh is a big fundraiser for a re-homing centre for cats and dogs due to her love of animals. If she won she WILL be donating to charity. She is a good egg.

Helen scoffs at the idea of giving £1k to charity. She is a rotten egg.

And this is why Ashleigh deserves to win!
Couldn't believe it when Helen said "Why give £1000 to charity?" ..of course she couldn't give any money to charity, her money all goes towards her plastic surgery

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It absolutely is Ashleigh's problem as she showed exactly the same level of aggression - just cause she appears to have gotten away with it, doesn't lessen what she did

But if she didn't get warned then that's got literally nothing to do with her.