[karezza]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just for clarity's sake... are you referring to me?

People in general. Perception is projection.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by karezza

People in general. Perception is projection.

LOL... hogwash.

[Forgetmenot]

Originally Posted by karezza

James seems to be one of the few who are genuinely trying to help Gary who must be difficult to live with.

That's because BB told him to..lol after he was so nasty to Gary he got. Grade A ticking off and was told to look after Gary in the respect of him not being isolsted by them all.dislike them all really, like Gary, Dee and girl from air land rest are self absorbed tosser's, especially that venomous little Leslie.so hope people are not taken in by his cutie pie routine!!!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Forgetmenot

That's because BB told him to..lol after he was so nasty to Gary he got. Grade A ticking off and was told to look after Gary in the respect of him not being isolsted by them all.dislike them all really, like Gary, Dee and girl from air land rest are self absorbed tosser's, especially that venomous little Leslie.so hope people are not taken in by his cutie pie routine!!!

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

You mean how Gary's clearly slightly isolated due to his hearing impairment, so BB asked James to help and encourage the group to include him more, then James referred to him as a "freako" to the whole group later on? What a sweetheart he is, always trying his best to help Gary when he's struggling

it doesn't take away the fact that he always helps him out, it actually shows a lot of common decency. I think gary annoys them all in there to an extent and I'd bet money that he'd annoy the majority of this forum if they were in there too, but james has shown that he's willing to overlook that despite how annoying he might be at times.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by karezza

James told Gary about the shower for his own good.

Don't like james but pretty sure this was the case, to help Gary build a bridge with Stephanie (won't work, she's a cock).

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

it doesn't take away the fact that he always helps him out, it actually shows a lot of common decency. I think gary annoys them all in there to an extent and I'd bet money that he'd annoy the majority of this forum if they were in there too, but james has shown that he's willing to overlook that despite how annoying he might be at times.

Yes it does take away from the fact that he "always helps him out" because I've just given a clear example of him not helping him out and in fact doing the exact opposite

[Marsh.]

Ooohhhh, we have our very own life coach on the forum.

Do you charge?

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Yes it does take away from the fact that he "always helps him out" because I've just given a clear example of him not helping him out and in fact doing the exact opposite

calling him a 'freako' doesn't lessen any of the things he's done for him though...

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

calling him a 'freako' doesn't lessen any of the things he's done for him though...

Really?? I think it does, especially added to the way he's treated Gary multiple times. I can't even think of when James has really helped Gary either tbh? Gary isn't completely disabled too, he doesn't need help exactly. All he needs is patience and understanding that he has a hearing impairment so needs more time to get into conversations etc., which James doesn't seem to show at all.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Really?? I think it does, especially added to the way he's treated Gary multiple times. I can't even think of when James has really helped Gary either tbh? Gary isn't completely disabled too, he doesn't need help exactly. All he needs is patience and understanding that he has a hearing impairment so needs more time to get into conversations etc., which James doesn't seem to show at all.

I've seen him numerous times taking the time to repeat things to him when he's not heard or misheard, when the others often don't have the time for him, he seems extremely patient with him; reminding him to take his hearing aid out before showering and also generally being honest with him/knowing boundaries which is all for his own good.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Really?? I think it does, especially added to the way he's treated Gary multiple times. I can't even think of when James has really helped Gary either tbh? Gary isn't completely disabled too, he doesn't need help exactly. All he needs is patience and understanding that he has a hearing impairment so needs more time to get into conversations etc., which James doesn't seem to show at all.

He has had brain damage. I bet that lot is so self absorbed they don't even know.

[Alf]

James just wanted to see Gary's knob.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

I've seen him numerous times taking the time to repeat things to him when he's not heard or misheard, when the others often don't have the time for him, he seems extremely patient with him; reminding him to take his hearing aid out before showering and also generally being honest with him/knowing boundaries which is all for his own good.

All I can agree with there is the hearing aids, and maybe also that he told him about the showering as it is honest and might allow Gary to create a better atmosphere for himself in the house. I don't think you can claim that James is particularly helpful in terms of repeating things to Gary, lots of people do that. Some don't, but many of them do.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by wannashag

James just wanted to see Gary's knob.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

All I can agree with there is the hearing aids, and maybe also that he told him about the showering as it is honest and might allow Gary to create a better atmosphere for himself in the house. I don't think you can claim that James is particularly helpful in terms of repeating things to Gary, lots of people do that. Some don't, but many of them do.

I want to know how many times james showers. i bet no one dares to check.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I want to know how many times james showers. i bet no one dares to check.

To me it seemed like Stephanie was more arsed about the showering than James. I'm in two minds about James saying this to Gary. Part of me thinks who the ******* does he think he is telling people when to do things, and to say it when Gary was expressing sadness about Stephanie saying people hated him was really bizarre. However, I suppose it could improve Gary's experience, and at least it turns a bitch fest about Gary's showering habits into an upfront conversation which could give Stephanie less reason to hate him.


But then again... who gives a ******* what Stephanie thinks?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

To me it seemed like Stephanie was more arsed about the showering than James. I'm in two minds about James saying this to Gary. Part of me thinks who the ******* does he think he is telling people when to do things, and to say it when Gary was expressing sadness about Stephanie saying people hated him was really bizarre. However, I suppose it could improve Gary's experience, and at least it turns a bitch fest about Gary's showering habits into an upfront conversation which could give Stephanie less reason to hate him.


But then again... who gives a ******* what Stephanie thinks?

They would still bitch about him even if he was the perfect housemate. They're jealous that he's the only real celeb.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They would still bitch about him even if he was the perfect housemate. They're jealous that he's the only real celeb.

Agree, they pick at the daftest things...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Agree, they pick at the daftest things...

Gary is an actor and still making movies. He has had an amazing career and has actual talent. Shock horror!

[jet]

I think James is a first class twat, but that doesn't mean he can never do anything right. I think on this occasion he did the right thing. Gary was confiding in James about the other HM's not liking him, which shows he has some sort of relationship with him, and James told him (in a scene which was obviously edited) to have a shower. Now, I take from that that the other HM's have been talking about Gary not showering/smelling behind his back and James told him straight up. Gary took no offense and had a nice shower and felt good after it....all was well and no big deal...

[Vanessa]

James is again having a go at Gary. God, i hate him so much!

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-7...james-and-gary

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by jet

I think James is a first class twat, but that doesn't mean he can never do anything right. I think on this occasion he did the right thing. Gary was confiding in James about the other HM's not liking him, which shows he has some sort of relationship with him, and James told him (in a scene which was obviously edited) to have a shower. Now, I take from that that the other HM's have been talking about Gary not showering/smelling behind his back and James told him straight up. Gary took no offense and had a nice shower and felt good after it....all was well and no big deal...

I agree with this. I've said before that James is pretty unlikeable and I didn't like his rage in the first argument with Gary.

On this occasion though Gary was confiding in him that Stephanie said everyone hates him etc., yet he obviously trusted James enough to come to speak with him about this.

They were specifically speaking about Stephanie at one point, and James was explaining that Stephanie is a complete germophobe and I think this is how the topic of showering came up.

Whether James did it out of goodness to try and help Gary out, or whether he did it for his own comfort I'm not sure.
Whatever his reasons though, Gary seemed extremely grateful to James for telling him, and thanked him. So I do think he was right to tell him.

If as I suspect though, that James went running to tell all the housemates what he said to Gary about taking a shower then that was a complete dickhead thing to do. Should have been kept between themselves. I didn't like George going on about it to other housemates either as this was a bit disrespectful to be poking fun at a much older man. (and I am usually a fan of George)

James can be an absolute dick but he does seem to make an effort to communicate better with Gary and he does tell him straight what issues are annoying people instead of just bitching about it.
His major downfall though is that "helpfulness" comes across as extremely patronising at times and him and his friends do seem to see and treat Gary as a bit of a senile imbecile sometimes. (Although that being said, James has said that despite Gary's faults he finds him absolutely fascinating, he just seems to bug the fcuk out of them)

Did find the conversation Gary had with Stephanie kinda funny when he was describing his shower in detail. How the shower gel was "slimy" and the water made him red like a lobster. Don't know if I'm reading the situation wrong but sometimes I think Gary is deliberately taking the piss and poking fun at some of the housemates who are mean to him.

[jet]

Originally Posted by xPinkpegasusx

I agree with this. I've said before that James is pretty unlikeable and I didn't like his rage in the first argument with Gary.

On this occasion though Gary was confiding in him that Stephanie said everyone hates him etc., yet he obviously trusted James enough to come to speak with him about this.

They were specifically speaking about Stephanie at one point, and James was explaining that Stephanie is a complete germophobe and I think this is how the topic of showering came up.

Whether James did it out of goodness to try and help Gary out, or whether he did it for his own comfort I'm not sure.
Whatever his reasons though, Gary seemed extremely grateful to James for telling him, and thanked him. So I do think he was right to tell him.

If as I suspect though, that James went running to tell all the housemates what he said to Gary about taking a shower then that was a complete dickhead thing to do. Should have been kept between themselves. I didn't like George going on about it to other housemates either as this was a bit disrespectful to be poking fun at a much older man. (and I am usually a fan of George)

James can be an absolute dick but he does seem to make an effort to communicate better with Gary and he does tell him straight what issues are annoying people instead of just bitching about it.
His major downfall though is that "helpfulness" comes across as extremely patronising at times and him and his friends do seem to see and treat Gary as a bit of a senile imbecile sometimes. (Although that being said, James has said that despite Gary's faults he finds him absolutely fascinating, he just seems to bug the fcuk out of them)

Did find the conversation Gary had with Stephanie kinda funny when he was describing his shower in detail. How the shower gel was "slimy" and the water made him red like a lobster. Don't know if I'm reading the situation wrong but sometimes I think Gary is deliberately taking the piss and poking fun at some of the housemates who are mean to him.

I pretty much agree with all of your post...very good one!
I think there was a misunderstanding in his first argument with Gary. When Leslie put on the rubber glove and James leaned over and said 'I assume the position' he didn't mean it as a gay joke, he was referring to getting into position for a doctor's examination of the prostate where the doctor inserts a finger...(the glove and bending over joke.)
Gary took it as a gay thing and said about getting butt ******* and it went downhill from there....that was my reading of it anyway.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Sophiee

it doesn't take away the fact that he always helps him out, it actually shows a lot of common decency. I think gary annoys them all in there to an extent and I'd bet money that he'd annoy the majority of this forum if they were in there too, but james has shown that he's willing to overlook that despite how annoying he might be at times.

James is quick enough to make fun of Gary after his so called "helping" two faced imo. He wouldnt have bothered at all had BB not taken him into the DR, did he tell the others what was said to him? I doubt it ....