[Kizzy]

I don't subscribe to a two tier class system, those who can't get in to uni with an AAA shunted to £2ph apprenticeships.
Degree courses are designed not only to educate but inspire, challenge, motivate and shape those who can dedicate 3yrs to them, it's not the easy option.

There are still many who prefer vocational work and have the desired qualifications to commit to the theory work involved in real apprenticeships such as plumber/electrician.

There are also plenty that I feel are getting the bum deal, the ones who have no A-C grade qualifications, who struggle to find anyone to take them on in any role no matter how menial. They are the ones forced into workfare type roles all stick and no carrot,or given what I class as a faux apprenticeship as a 'sandwich technician'. It's never going to lead to a full time position as there are an endless stream of young people to do the same thing for next to nothing... what are their life choices?

[arista]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Most media corded are constantly adapting with the media industry. Also allot of them are heavily practice based (which in my opinion is a lot harder then writing a few essays on social learning theory. All of the ones I've seen also require you to do a certain number of hours of work experience placements. So with a media degree you leave uni trained and prepared for working in the industry.

Sure
I hope I see you on SkyNewsHD4K
later on.


But some others are doing it wrong

[user104658]

War robots? w..wtf? This thread has taken a surreal turn

Anyway...

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Degree courses are designed not only to educate but inspire, challenge, motivate and shape those who can dedicate 3yrs to them, it's not the easy option.

Totally agree with that, Kizzy. Most people who claim that Uni is an "easy 10 hours a week" or "doesn't involve hard work" are usually people who haven't been to University. Now, whilst it is true that in many courses you can "coast" the first year or two, as with anything, if you want to excel then you have to work very hard to stand out. Just as you would in any job. University is self-driven education, 10 hours of classes could (should) easily translate into a full week once you include time spent writing essays or reports (a good one will take several days work), self-driven study, etc. A lot of students also hold down part-time jobs of 16 - 25 hours per week on top of that. Also, whilst you can coast the first couple of years, for most degrees you will not complete your final year and get a degree worth having (2:1 or above) without putting in the effort.

Are the some students who skip classes, drink all day and generally just mess around? Of course there are, but there are plenty of people who are lazy in their jobs / careers too.

[Jay.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

War robots? w..wtf? This thread has taken a surreal turn

Anyway...



Totally agree with that, Kizzy. Most people who claim that Uni is an "easy 10 hours a week" or "doesn't involve hard work" are usually people who haven't been to University. Now, whilst it is true that in many courses you can "coast" the first year or two, as with anything, if you want to excel then you have to work very hard to stand out. Just as you would in any job. University is self-driven education, 10 hours of classes could (should) easily translate into a full week once you include time spent writing essays or reports (a good one will take several days work), self-driven study, etc. A lot of students also hold down part-time jobs of 16 - 25 hours per week on top of that. Also, whilst you can coast the first couple of years, for most degrees you will not complete your final year and get a degree worth having (2:1 or above) without putting in the effort.

Are the some students who skip classes, drink all day and generally just mess around? Of course there are, but there are plenty of people who are lazy in their jobs / careers too.

Exactly this. You are expected to more than the minimum. I have 2/3 days a week at uni, but that doesn't mean I'm not doing anything the rest of the time. And I care for my nan alongside it, so I can't have much of a social life. But I make sure I spend enough time on my work and I'm usually the first in my group to say they've started the work, or to even finish it. There are some people in my class that I've only seen a few times, that is their fault. They are missing out & probably (definitely) won't pass the course.

It's all down to the type of person really. Some excel, some go just for fun. It's easy to see what will pay off in the long term.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

War robots? w..wtf? This thread has taken a surreal turn

Anyway...



Totally agree with that, Kizzy. Most people who claim that Uni is an "easy 10 hours a week" or "doesn't involve hard work" are usually people who haven't been to University. Now, whilst it is true that in many courses you can "coast" the first year or two, as with anything, if you want to excel then you have to work very hard to stand out. Just as you would in any job. University is self-driven education, 10 hours of classes could (should) easily translate into a full week once you include time spent writing essays or reports (a good one will take several days work), self-driven study, etc. A lot of students also hold down part-time jobs of 16 - 25 hours per week on top of that. Also, whilst you can coast the first couple of years, for most degrees you will not complete your final year and get a degree worth having (2:1 or above) without putting in the effort.

Are the some students who skip classes, drink all day and generally just mess around? Of course there are, but there are plenty of people who are lazy in their jobs / careers too.

Oh very well said and thank you for doing so.

This thread has just turned into a get at students thread.
Such has been the case since I joined in 2010, because I was a student then,by some when almost every word was criticised and challenged with attempts to belittle.

As you say likely from those who haven't been to University but who make generalisations about all students as if they were 2nd rate citizens.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Is 'Media' your 'bag' Armand?

Yeah.

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
I hope I see you on SkyNewsHD4K
later on.

Lol thanks

[the truth]

Originally Posted by arista

University is not a help
Get a Trade first
Work First

agreed. unless you want to be a doctor , id suggest go to work for a few years then decide. then if you study for law degree go for it. but id rather go for a proper full on degree not one of the endless nonsense ones that offer no career

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

agreed. unless you want to be a doctor , id suggest go to work for a few years then decide. then if you study for law degree go for it. but id rather go for a proper full on degree not one of the endless nonsense ones that offer no career

Doctors cost alot to train
then Down Under
nicks them with higher pay

That must stop

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

agreed. unless you want to be a doctor , id suggest go to work for a few years then decide. then if you study for law degree go for it. but id rather go for a proper full on degree not one of the endless nonsense ones that offer no career

I personally think that people should study whatever they want, but I do agree that people should take a few years to think about what they want to do, so that they might discover what genuinely interests them. Too many people jump right in straight from school into any old degree... And even the ones who do well and get well paid jobs after university sometimes (too often) discover too late that they lack passion for what they are doing.

I wish I had stuck with computer science instead of ditching it for psychology. I adore tech, I love programming... I can't STAND most human beings .

If I had been a bit older and wiser I'm convinced I would have a more useful degree and a job that I like (or at least don't actively despise) now. I would still have gone to uni but I'd have been smarter about it, and more committed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I personally think that people should study whatever they want, but I do agree that people should take a few years to think about what they want to do, so that they might discover what genuinely interests them. Too many people jump right in straight from school into any old degree... And even the ones who do well and get well paid jobs after university sometimes (too often) discover too late that they lack passion for what they are doing.

I wish I had stuck with computer science instead of ditching it for psychology. I adore tech, I love programming... I can't STAND most human beings .

If I had been a bit older and wiser I'm convinced I would have a more useful degree and a job that I like (or at least don't actively despise) now. I would still have gone to uni but I'd have been smarter about it, and more committed.

I can see all the points as to what you say above Toy Soldier.They will work well for some and not so for others I guess.

Speaking for myself however,I went straight Uni with no break after education and now it is all done,I would not have wanted to do it any other way.

I have a choice of 2 careers ahead of me now and I love both.

I am actually now,(because I have prepared for it before anyone jumps in to attack students for going to uni then doing nothing with it),later this year stopping work for a time and taking a few months to myself to firstly relax,then also to decide which career I really want to follow.

I would hate to have done it the other way round myself and just be thinking about Uni say later this year.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can see all the points as to what you say above Toy Soldier.They will work well for some and not so for others I guess.

Speaking for myself however,I went straight Uni with no break after education and now it is all done,I would not have wanted to do it any other way.

I have a choice of 2 careers ahead of me now and I love both.

I am actually now,(because I have prepared for it before anyone jumps in to attack students for going to uni then doing nothing with it),later this year stopping work for a time and taking a few months to myself to firstly relax,then also to decide which career I really want to follow.

I would hate to have done it the other way round myself and just be thinking about Uni say later this year.

Some people do obviously have a good idea what they want to do even at school, I know a girl who switched high schools (to my school from another) specifically because hers didn't offer Advanced Higher Biology and she wanted to get into medicine. So it is different for different people. But, many do feel "pushed" into applying by their schools, especially if they have good grades, and just apply for various courses without really knowing what captures their imagination. Drop out rates and first year course switching shouldn't really be as prevalent as it is, I think.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Some people do obviously have a good idea what they want to do even at school, I know a girl who switched high schools (to my school from another) specifically because hers didn't offer Advanced Higher Biology and she wanted to get into medicine. So it is different for different people. But, many do feel "pushed" into applying by their schools, especially if they have good grades, and just apply for various courses without really knowing what captures their imagination. Drop out rates and first year course switching shouldn't really be as prevalent as it is, I think.

Yes, they are all strong and very valid points again. I agree.

[arista]

So many that have been at University
are now saying they wasted 2 years.

Get a Trade
stand up strong.

[Marsh.]

Well if THEY wasted 2 years then that's their own fault.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well if THEY wasted 2 years then that's their own fault.

No its the advisers that tell them Uni is best
and Fecking New Labour

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No its the advisers that tell them Uni is best
and Fecking New Labour

There's no such thing as New Labour now, thank goodness.

Also, some may feel they wasted 2/3 years at Uni, those also who go to Uni then drop out after a year or so also feel probably they wasted that time.

As with most situations as to life, hindsight after the event always makes things seem clearer,or that there should and could have been better ways.
However,to not have done that wasted time would have possibly left other regrets of not trying it at least.

No one is,or ever should be, forced to go to Uni, by politicians or anyone else,although the lack of real opportunities of good jobs now without some degrees,that in the jobs climate now over lots of areas of work, are becoming more and more selective and limited.
University does seem the way forward if you can get there and at least open up a more fighting chance for yourself.

Better to have tried and failed,as the saying goes, that in itself is more life experience and learning.