[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wouldn't he lose his house on benefits anyway? Taking anything while he looks for something in his field might be the only way

I would imagine (only surmising) that he will have mortgage insurance protection (and possibly other credit insurance) and therefore whilst out of work his mortgage (and other) payments will be covered. If he finds gainful employment the insurance will stop and his payments will be reinstated and if he is only earning minimum wage its will not cover his outgoings.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I would imagine (only surmising) that he will have mortgage insurance protection (and possibly other credit insurance) and therefore whilst out of work his mortgage (and other) payments will be covered. If he finds gainful employment the insurance will stop and his payments will be reinstated and if he is only earning minimum wage its will not cover his outgoings.

Spot on.

Benefits used to cover interest on a mortgage but apparently haven't done so now for a number of years.

[user104658]

A very good point there DemolitionRed, The Truth is constantly referring to the high rates of suicide amoung males and how awful it is. Which it is. But then it's attitudes like his - essentially calling people lazy, scrounging wastes of space if they don't find themselves just walking out of their house and into a job at the drop of a hat - that are a massive contributing factor in the feelings of worthlessness and hopelessness that result in high suicide rates.

Congratulations on being part of the problem, Truth.

[Kizzy]

My neighbour had the interest on the morgage paid is all I think, she kept the house but it was touch and go, she got rid of every other outgoing except the house.

[Glenn.]

I can confirm to even get a basic security guard license is about Ł275 for the actual license. The training needed to even get the license is Ł180.

For someone out of work and barely making ends meat its not really something hat can be done so easily.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I can confirm to even get a basic security guard license is about Ł275 for the actual license. The training needed to even get the license is Ł180.

For someone out of work and barely making ends meat its not really something hat can be done so easily.

Exactly. I hate when people try to make judgements and form opinions on things when they don't consider the people actually affected by doing so.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I can confirm to even get a basic security guard license is about Ł275 for the actual license. The training needed to even get the license is Ł180.

For someone out of work and barely making ends meat its not really something hat can be done so easily.

funding can be provided at the job centres....its also worth noting these many people on benefits and hobbling a but should cutback on booze and cigarettes too to save for this

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by the truth

funding can be provided at the job centres....its also worth noting these many people on benefits and hobbling a but should cutback on booze and cigarettes too to save for this

Another ignorant generalisation

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Another ignorant generalisation

no your being ignorant as always....Many people on benefits waste their benefits and the kids benefits on booze and cigarettes, fact. You choose to lie and ignore it in your liberal wonderland that's your choice to be ignorant to the truth

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by the truth

no your being ignorant as always....Many people on benefits waste their benefits and the kids benefits on booze and cigarettes, fact. You choose to lie and ignore it in your liberal wonderland that's your choice to be ignorant to the truth

Where is this fact? Can you provide a link that backs your claim up?

It's not fact at all.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

no your being ignorant as always....Many people on benefits waste their benefits and the kids benefits on booze and cigarettes, fact. You choose to lie and ignore it in your liberal wonderland that's your choice to be ignorant to the truth

I think you are wrong and many is not all anyway, as your original generalisation inferred.

There are no facts to print what claimants spend their money on so you cannot substantiate that comment really.

However, were you even right in any way and I don't think you are as to that.
Then you should be pleased they do,since they would be paying heavier taxes than most as to duty so a great proportion of their benefits will be returning to the treasury.

Thankfully I never believe the Sun's or Daily Mail's over exaggerrated headlines on these issues, and it isn't what I have found either to be the case with the people I have helped as to ensuring they are getting the right and full benefits.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

funding can be provided at the job centres....its also worth noting these many people on benefits and hobbling a but should cutback on booze and cigarettes too to save for this

Not really, they MAY refer you to a training provider to get your Maths and English up to scratch but any specialised courses are typically only paid for if you can prove you'll have a job ready by the end of it which is mostly useless since few companies will wait for you to get qualified.

The next thing you said was typical ignorant rubbish.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really, they MAY refer you to a training provider to get your Maths and English up to scratch but any specialised courses are typically only paid for if you can prove you'll have a job ready by the end of it which is mostly useless since few companies will wait for you to get qualified.

The next thing you said was typical ignorant rubbish.

youre LYING again the job centre DO pay for much of this training. youre 100% wrong and you are the ignorant one. having you considered working?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre LYING again the job centre DO pay for much of this training. youre 100% wrong and you are the ignorant one. having you considered working?

No, they don't. English and Maths is free to them so they'll refer you to that no problem but they don't make specialist training readily available unless you've been offered a job already and even then you have to fight tooth and nail for it.

Yeah I do work, I'd say the same to you but I guess being the mayor of Imaginationland is a full time role.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre LYING again the job centre DO pay for much of this training. youre 100% wrong and you are the ignorant one. having you considered working?

They paid for my partners SIA training and badge, but only after he got a letter from a company saying they would employ him once he had it. Unfortunately this company then stuck him on a 0 hour contract which is not much good when trying to run a house..0 hour contracts are brilliant for those still living with mummy and daddy, or people working just for a top up to their partners wage, but not to people in the real world. Unfortunately most security jobs require experience along with a sia license...so hes still there getting ridiculously erratic hours at the original company, whilst we have to claim top up benefits some weeks and not others...which in itself is a nightmare given that the dwp take forever to sort payments out. Its mental. Luckily we have a council house at the moment so having to wait a month for a working tax credit/housing benefit payment doesn't matter so much as its quite hard for councils to kick you out for small arrears and they do tend to understand that the dwp take ages to do things. Unfortunately (but fortunately at the same time..depending on how you look at it) we are going to have to move to private accommodation as he needs to be closer for work as they claim they are offering more hours soon. Fulltime infact..and the wage is good. If they keep up their promise, alls good as we wont need any top up benefits. But if they dont..and we are having to get benefits some weeks due to no work at all or 4 hours per week...its going to be a MASSIVE problem with a private landlord. I'm actually quite scared about it all

Went off on one a bit there but yeah the jobcentre do pay for stuff like that, but its rare to find a company to agree to take you on before you are qualified really.

Also, its really not as easy as you think to get a job. Unless you are willing to do commission only work...which is a nightmare tbh, I did that when I left school Was ok for me at the time as I was still at home, but it would be no good now. Honestly your wage varies from 0 to a few hundred, to thousands a month. Its utterly bonkers and would be impossible to budget with...plus most of the jobs are scamming other people. Whilst its good that the jobs are there, its really for the benefit of most (especially older people who we were advised to push harder to sell timeshares to) that they disappear.

[Glenn.]

When I got my security license it was Ł245 not Ł100. That was for a basic static license.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Glenn

When I got my security license it was Ł245 not Ł100. That was for a basic static license.

Ah yes the first badge is a lot more yes, after that their still Ł100 to renew though :/

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah yes the first badge is a lot more yes, after that their still Ł100 to renew though :/

I've just looked and for a renewal its Ł220. It's the same as the cost of a new license.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I've just looked and for a renewal its Ł220. It's the same as the cost of a new license.

'If this is your first license then the fee is set at Ł220. However if you already have an SIA license with at least 6 months remaining on your current badge then your subsequents licenses will cost Ł110.00. With the only exemption being Vehicle Immobilisation license which is exempt from this discount.'

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'If this is your first license then the fee is set at Ł220. However if you already have an SIA license with at least 6 months remaining on your current badge then your subsequents licenses will cost Ł110.00. With the only exemption being Vehicle Immobilisation license which is exempt from this discount.'

'A licence renewal costs the same as a new application (Ł220). No additional training or qualification is required for a licence renewal unless you are renewing a door supervisor licence and you have not attained one of the current licence-linked qualifications (the ones introduced in Summer 2010).'

From the official site

http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pag...-renewals.aspx

[Kizzy]

Right...thanks for that, glad you cleared that up.

Fact remains it's not a job you can just mooch on into.

[Glenn.]

Precisely

Edit: kizzy we just agreed on something

[Josy]

The jobcentre very rarely provide the training that people need to get employment that's including security badges, forklift licenses and so on even if you need a disclosure certificate you have to arrange and pay for it by yourself.

And as others have said you have to fight very hard for them to finally put you through what you need even if you've had a job offer.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

The jobcentre very rarely provide the training that people need to get employment that's including security badges, forklift licenses and so on even if you need a disclosure certificate you have to arrange and pay for it by yourself.

And as others have said you have to fight very hard for them to finally put you through what you need even if you've had a job offer.

youre 100% wrong. the job centre get in touch with the training centres and they supply the training for free, they also pay for licenses

[Josy]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre 100% wrong. the job centre get in touch with the training centres and they supply the training for free, they also pay for licenses

No I'm not 100% wrong, do some research into it before claiming that you know more than others do.