[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not wringing my hands in despair either, but nor am I taking joy in it whilst vigorously rubbing my groin against the leg of my table.

People aren't saying "Meh, don't care."

They're saying "GOOD! He deserves it! He isn't a real woman anyway! Who cares what happens to HIM in there, should have thought about that before!"

And they're enjoying it, because people like being vicious when they think they can get away with it. And they think they can get away with it by hiding their gleeful viciousness under the banner of "Hmph just not being PC everyone is too PC". Which annoys me. Because that's not what it actually is.

I know exactly what you mean and it drives me mad.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Know what strikes me about this thread? A not-too-small number of people seem positively gleeful about the idea of her being sent to an all-male prison. What's that all about?

Yeah, it's rather disturbing. As is the not-so-accidental gender neutral pronouns some keep insisting on using, or the obsession with genitalia as means of identifying a person. Unsurprising, but still disturbing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah, it's rather disturbing. As is the not-so-accidental gender neutral pronouns some keep insisting on using, or the obsession with genitalia as means of identifying a person. Unsurprising, but still disturbing.

But isn't the purpose of having the split prisons based on the inmates' different genitalia?

[Jay28jay2]

What Genatalia she was born with shouldnt determine her gender. She was a girl trapped in a boys body

[Denver]

At the end of the day she is a criminal whynshould she get special treatmen? She is still down as a man its the same as if she would be flying out the country her passport would be rejected she made the decision to not update her documents she has to deal with it.

She is no more at risk then the young vulnerable lads that go in if someone has rape on there mind there going to rape anyone no matter what they look like and that is unfortunately the type of world we live in.

[Cherie]

She has been moved now at any rate so crisis over, she tried to get her sentence overturned but she was moved instead.

[Liam-]

Lmao the whole 'think of my safety' plea doesn't really wash with me after she admitted to attacking someone I'm afraid.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Lmao the whole 'think of my safety' plea doesn't really wash with me after she admitted to attacking someone I'm afraid.

And that justifies her being either confined to Solitary for 12 weeks or be at risk of sexual violence?

What a strange sense of morality you have.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And that justifies her being either confined to Solitary for 12 weeks or be at risk of sexual violence?

What a strange sense of morality you have.

I didn't say it justified anything

My morality has nothing to do with it, hers however does.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I didn't say it justified anything

My morality has nothing to do with it, hers however does.

Well it does since you're saying she doesn't deserve to be safe during her prison term and by saying that you're essentially saying that any misfortune that befalls on her due to the fact she's trans is justified.

Her morality or crimes have nothing to do with it, the system has a duty of care to it's inmates and they have failed this woman completely.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well it does since you're saying she doesn't deserve to be safe during her prison term and by saying that you're essentially saying that any misfortune that befalls on her due to the fact she's trans is justified.

Her morality or crimes have nothing to do with it, the system has a duty of care to it's inmates and they have failed this woman completely.

But why should should she be given special privileges?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well it does since you're saying she doesn't deserve to be safe during her prison term and by saying that you're essentially saying that any misfortune that befalls on her due to the fact she's trans is justified.

Her morality or crimes have nothing to do with it, the system has a duty of care to it's inmates and they have failed this woman completely.

When did I say any of that?

I said I didn't buy the whole 'woe is me' act, which I don't because she clearly didn't care for safety when she was out attacking people.

Nowhere did I mention anything to do with the prison situation, as it so happens, I don't think she should be in a male prison, so if you're done lecturing me over something I didn't say, I'd highly appreciate it.

[Northern Monkey]

This is why there needs to be dedicated wings for transgenders.There currently is no correct place to put them.Legally and biologically this person is still a man but obviously a mans prison is not the place to put them and neither is a womans prison.

[Marsh.]

No doubt there'll be another article in a couple of months when the female inmates are up in arms about seeing a penis in the showers.

[arista]

She has Now gone to a Female Prison.

Ref: Ch4HD News

[Dollface]

She should have been put in a female prison, I just can't even try and comprehend why anyone would think differently.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dollface

She should have been put in a female prison, I just can't even try and comprehend why anyone would think differently.

I can see her having issues in a womens prison as well so I don't think its fully addressed the problem with placing trans prisoners

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can see her having issues in a womens prison as well so I don't think its fully addressed the problem with placing trans prisoners

Exactly. I can imagine there'll be quite a few complaints in the shower room.

[JoshBB]

The blatant transphobia in this thread shows exactly why she needs to be in a female prison

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The blatant transphobia in this thread shows exactly why she needs to be in a female prison

All I'm seeing is a debate on both sides of the argument. Where's the transphobia?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

All I'm seeing is a debate on both sides of the argument. Where's the transphobia?

The whole "she was born a man, therefore she goes in a male prison" argument clearly refuses to give transwomen the same rights as cisgender women for a start..

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The whole "she was born a man, therefore she goes in a male prison" argument clearly refuses to give transwomen the same rights as cisgender women for a start..

Have you read the article? I guess not as it clearly say legally she still a man

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The whole "she was born a man, therefore she goes in a male prison" argument clearly refuses to give transwomen the same rights as cisgender women for a start..

No, I think it's the fact that she's still legally and physically a man that's the problem, if she was a physical woman rather than a mental/psychological one, I don't think people would be defending the prison choice.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The whole "she was born a man, therefore she goes in a male prison" argument clearly refuses to give transwomen the same rights as cisgender women for a start..

Then you need to read up on the facts of the case posted in the OP before making assumptions.

Legally, she is still male and hasn't had gender reassignment surgery.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, I think it's the fact that she's still legally and physically a man that's the problem, if she was a physical woman rather than a mental/psychological one, I don't think people would be defending the prison choice.

And how would you define a physical woman? A person with a vagina? And then they are a woman? I don't think you realise what this infers, which is that you must have a vagina to 'be a woman' which is completely untrue.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then you need to read up on the facts of the case posted in the OP before making assumptions.

Legally, she is still male and hasn't had gender reassignment surgery.

Gender, by definition, has nothing to do with your genitals. Also you can be legally recognised as your preferred gender, and have your name/documents changed to reflect that, without having sex reassignment.