[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Buit the teachings and stories maybe false,

Just as they may be true. Your point?

[Dollface]

Marsh

[Liam-]

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in God or all that mumbo jumbo and while religion doesn't necessarily bother me, I'd rather not have it shoved down my throat.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Just as they may be true. Your point?

My point it they are not advertised as 'maybe' true. There are whole channels dedicated to science fiction but we are aware up front that what we are seeing is entirely made up.

[Marsh.]

It's fine for advertisers to bombard you with commercials for things you don't want or need but a priest saying a prayer takes it too far?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's fine for advertisers to bombard you with commercials for things you don't want or need but a priest saying a prayer takes it too far?

No its not fine for advertisers to bombard us. I'm not aware of where that was said in the thread.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

My point it they are not advertised as 'maybe' true. There are whole channels dedicated to science fiction but we are aware up front that what we are seeing is entirely made up.

They're not "advertised" as anything. It is there for people who believe.

Much like any other channel is there for people who are into it, a target audience, everyone else won't bother.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

No its not fine for advertisers to bombard us. I'm not aware of where that was said in the thread.

I was responding to Liam.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dollface

so much hate

The vast majority of the true hatred in the world is perpetrated in the name of various religions.

What I have is despair, not hatred.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The vast majority of the true hatred in the world is perpetrated in the name of various religions.

What I have is despair, not hatred.

Disparagingly referring to anyone who subscribes to this religion as part of a "cult" and "creepy" says otherwise.

I find it rather laughable that people insist on claiming that religion is the source of hatred and ignorance while being guilty of those very attitudes themselves.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They're not "advertised" as anything. It is there for people who believe.

Much like any other channel is there for people who are into it, a target audience, everyone else won't bother.

People who believe in something that may not be true but is given as fact. My point was to Josh about the promotion of religion around the world and it not being comparable to the promotion of atheism.

[Marsh.]

Not to mention people like terrorists who use religion as justification aren't actually following the religions you know? They're acting against it.

ISIS is not representative of Islam.

[Johnnyuk123]

I think this guy is a legend.

Youtube video

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not to mention people like terrorists who use religion as justification aren't actually following the religions you know? They're acting against it.

ISIS is not representative of Islam.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's fine for advertisers to bombard you with commercials for things you don't want or need but a priest saying a prayer takes it too far?

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I was responding to Liam.

No, I hate all adverts in the cinema and everywhere else, but I cant really argue with the fact that Iphones and My Little Pony exists, whereas it's my belief that all things 'holy' don't exist and I don't think that people who share my view should have religion forced upon them, much like I don't believe religious people should have to put up with people ramming atheist views down their throat, it's a two way street imo.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Disparagingly referring to anyone who subscribes to this religion as part of a "cult" and "creepy" says otherwise.

I find it rather laughable that people insist on claiming that religion is the source of hatred and ignorance while being guilty of those very attitudes themselves.

You think that pointing out that organised religion is similar to a cult, and commenting that I find it creepy, demonstrates hatred?

All I can say is, your experience of anything resembling actual hatred must be very limited. Lucky you.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

People who believe in something that may not be true. My point was to Josh about the promotion of religion around the world and it not being comparable to the promotion of atheism.

It is comparable though. Religion has beliefs that may be either true or false, just as atheism does. Atheism especially so, considering there is no guidelines for truth and many theories can pop up - many of which will be false.

I am a person who tends to trust science more than religion, but at the same time, science is something that is fluid. Theories change and develop over time. So for that reason, it's wrong to ban religious adverts because you think they are false. You're entitled to that belief, just as everyone else is entitled to think they are true. We live in a multicultural democracy, so respect others beliefs as you respect your own.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not to mention people like terrorists who use religion as justification aren't actually following the religions you know? They're acting against it.

ISIS is not representative of Islam.

Right wing evangelical Christians are also not representative of the religion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Right wing evangelical Christians are also not representative of the religion.

Well done.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You think that pointing out that organised religion is similar to a cult, and commenting that I find it creepy, demonstrates hatred?

I absolutely do.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All I can say is, your experience of anything resembling actual hatred must be very limited. Lucky you.

Oh, okay then. You evidently know more about my life experiences than I do so I'll take your wise word for it.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It is comparable though. Religion has beliefs that may be either true or false, just as atheism does. Atheism especially so, considering there is no guidelines for truth and many theories can pop up - many of which will be false.

I am a person who tends to trust science more than religion, but at the same time, science is something that is fluid. Theories change and develop over time. So for that reason, it's wrong to ban religious adverts because you think they are false. You're entitled to that belief, just as everyone else is entitled to think they are true. We live in a multicultural democracy, so respect others beliefs as you respect your own.

I respect everyone right to faith and if that person given faith is right for them and helps them live their life then religion definitely works but I object to the teaching being given as true to all and the promotion of religion through mainstream media.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dollface

so much hate

You have hit the nail squarely on the head Doll.face

What is it that these people FEAR so much about someone else's harmless and innocent beliefs, that they rant and rave and attack with such ferocity? And what is it that convinces them so totally that THEY are right and all believers wrong, when NO ONE can PROVE the matter ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well done.

Why the praise? I;d have thought my comment was so obvious that I'm stunned you didnt also mention other religious fringe groups?

Dont give me sarcasm we're having a decent discussion here.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I respect everyone right to faith and if that person given faith is right for them and helps them live their life then religion definitely works but I object to the teaching being given as true to all and the promotion of religion through mainstream media.

'Mainstream media' doesn't promote religion as far as I am aware.. everything is shown from a secular viewpoint, which is how it should be.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Why the praise? I;d have thought my comment was so obvious that I'm stunned you didnt also mention other religious fringe groups?

I gave a point and accompanied it with an example.

I didn't realise I'd have to list every person/group in history who have twisted a religion or anything else in this world to suit their own evil ends. I think I'll need a sub forum.