[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..this is what I keep thinking, bitontheslide...if the FBI themselves are saying that they were acting completely alone and now obviously they're both dead...then what information would there be that could link to any terrorist cells because they weren't part of one..their determination doesn't quite make sense to me with this because it seems so contradictory...

Isn't the key phrase there "they appear to be working in isolation", surely they have to follow it up to its conclusion even if they find nada, it would be pretty incompetent to just assume there is nothing on the phone

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Isn't the key phrase there "they appear to be working in isolation", surely they have to follow it up to its conclusion even if they find nada, it would be pretty incompetent to just assume there is nothing on the phone

...I think the phrasing by them was more 'no indications of being part of a network', Cherie..and no indications of being part of a wider network, leading to so much determination to access this particular phone, doesn't quite make sense to me...

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think the phrasing by them was more 'no indications of being part of a network', Cherie..and no indications of being part of a wider network, leading to so much determination to access this particular phone, doesn't quite make sense to me...

Even if there was a small chance something was on the phone I would have thought they has a duty to follow it up, not sure how the FBI works, but leaving no stone unturned must be the basis for any investigation, how many dead ends are followed in an investigation of any kind

[Kizzy]

Do airport scanners have Geiger counters in them?

[Kizzy]

I do love a good google. It's nothing personal I would've said same to anyone, as it seemed a bit hypocritical to berate someone for not citing sources and then doing the same.

[arista]

[Harvard researcher warns Isis may be on
the brink of using nuclear weapons: Chilling report
highlights risk of dirty bombs, power station
sabotage and device detonation]

[Detonation of an actual nuclear bomb ]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz44RGlw0fj

Feck me a Nuke Bomb


Its hard to stop
a Blank Van with a Nuke in the back
in any nation,
& after going off.
Its Harder to find out who did it?

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

[Harvard researcher warns Isis may be on
the brink of using nuclear weapons: Chilling report
highlights risk of dirty bombs, power station
sabotage and device detonation]

[Detonation of an actual nuclear bomb ]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz44RGlw0fj

Feck me a Nuke Bomb


Its hard to stop
a Blank Van with a Nuke in the back
in any nation,
& after going off.
Its Harder to find out who did it?

Where is jack bauer when we need him

[Candy Annie Cane]

I'm with Cherie on this one, any information that could be held on the phone that could help the FBI or possibly give some information on how this atrocity was planned is surely a good thing? Many people lost their lives and families lost innocent loved ones. If it were me, I would want any and all avenues investigated to stop similar attacks happening. And if they find nothing, so what? At least they have conducted a thorough investigation. Apple will find the way they have broken the security and tighten it up anyway.

[kirklancaster]

Perhaps President Obama should consult some of the sages on Tibb before laying himself open to 'Arista' type ridicule by stating the below:

'Isis nuclear bomb is a serious threat, warns Barack Obama'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6964621.html

[Cherry Christmas]

Oh dear

[DemolitionRed]

Apple have experts working around the clock stopping criminal hackers having access to our information. Once they hand a master key over to UK government agents, they no longer have the power to stop expert criminals getting to our information. It becomes a technology battle because criminal hackers are just as clever as the ones presently working round the clock to stopping them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Apple have experts working around the clock stopping criminal hackers having access to our information. Once they hand a master key over to UK government agents, they no longer have the power to stop expert criminals getting to our information. It becomes a technology battle because criminal hackers are just as clever as the ones presently working round the clock to stopping them.

This. People seem to be confused and think that people have an issue here with the authorities "invading terrorists privacy". No... any phone like that they hack into for infor will belong either to a dead person or one convicted of criminal activity, in which case their right to privacy is irrelevant.

Where the problem lies, is in making the jump from "it's OK for the authorities to try to access that information" and, "the phone manufacturers should PROVIDE the authorities with back-door security access to ALL phones, just incase".

There is a HUGE difference here.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This. People seem to be confused and think that people have an issue here with the authorities "invading terrorists privacy". No... any phone like that they hack into for infor will belong either to a dead person or one convicted of criminal activity, in which case their right to privacy is irrelevant.

Where the problem lies, is in making the jump from "it's OK for the authorities to try to access that information" and, "the phone manufacturers should PROVIDE the authorities with back-door security access to ALL phones, just incase".

There is a HUGE difference here.

I don't think our government have a clue about the complex implications behind opening a back door to internet security TS.

The investigatory laws that were somehow passed back in 2000 weren’t just used on dangerous criminal suspects but by local councils on parents trying to get their kids into schools out of their local catchment area and people watching live stream tv on their computers without a tv licence. When the **** eventually hit the fan and these new surveillance powers came into question, they discovered that only 1 per cent of applications to access data was requested for terrorist offenders, even after 9/11.

This isn’t about a war on terror, this is about having the right to snoop and collect information on the British public. Its about catching people for minor offences and its about predicting future elections and other political purposes. People pipe on about 'freedom of speech'...well if this new snooping charter is allowed to infringe on our liberty, then we will be three giant steps forward into losing our freedom of speech.

I for one, do not want to live in a police state and I don't believe for a moment that this British government is its peoples protectorate. Anyone who has taken the time to study neoliberal ideology will know that 'end game' is totalitarianism and so this proposed new snooping law is the golden egg that Cameron has been desperate to establish whilst he's PM.

Time to get rid of these neoliberal conservatives and take conservatism back to its classical routes.

[arista]

Dezzy please check any news headlines today
its all about my "So Called Movie Scripts"
can you please update us.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nu...-idUSKCN0WW1R2

Nuclear terrorism fears loom over Obama's final atomic summit

My Simple Question :If the Data of a Nuke Attack in a Standard Van parked in a USA City
was on a Locked Phone in the USA
Everyone wants it stopped via getting that Data fast
Tick Tock

Not from any Movie

[Cherry Christmas]

"Sips tea"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

"Sips tea"

Bless You
Lady Cherie

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Dezzy please check any news headlines today
its all about my "So Called Movie Scripts"
can you please update us.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nu...-idUSKCN0WW1R2

Nuclear terrorism fears loom over Obama's final atomic summit

My Simple Question :If the Data of a Nuke Attack in a Standard Van parked in a USA City
was on a Locked Phone in the USA
Everyone wants it stopped via getting that Data fast
Tick Tock

Not from any Movie

Then they can get it! Do you really believe that MI5, GCHQ, MI6 or the FBI can't get their hands on this if they really need to? If you don't, then how do they carry out precise drone attacks. They don't do it on a snitch, they do it via satellite communication directly linked to someone using a mobile phone.

Ask yourself this though. Why are you allowed to walk into any supermarket in the UK and buy a throw away phone without leaving your details? Why is it, that in France, Italy and I believe Spain too, the purchase of a throw away phone requires either a full driving licence with picture or a passport. This means terrorists using throw away phones can be traced, unless of course you bought that phone in the UK where nobody has a clue who bought it. Why is such a simple security measure being overlooked? because this isn't about spying on terrorists; if it was, there is no way you could buy a TAP over here without ID.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Dezzy please check any news headlines today
its all about my "So Called Movie Scripts"
can you please update us.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nu...-idUSKCN0WW1R2

Nuclear terrorism fears loom over Obama's final atomic summit

My Simple Question :If the Data of a Nuke Attack in a Standard Van parked in a USA City
was on a Locked Phone in the USA
Everyone wants it stopped via getting that Data fast
Tick Tock

Not from any Movie

Oh sweetheart, the point of newspapers and websites is to sell and get views respectively, the best way to do that is by generating fear. There's very little in the way of facts in that article, lots of hypotheticals and what ifs but nothing to suggest that your fantasy scenario has any real basis in reality. The only truly factual aspect of that article is that Obama's hosting a Summit and that this is his last year in office. The rest of rampant speculation and fear mongering.

Your little scenario is nothing more than 24 fan fiction, deal with it and accept it.

Originally Posted by Cherie

"Sips tea"

Try not to choke, dear.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh sweetheart, the point of newspapers and websites is to sell and get views respectively, the best way to do that is by generating fear. There's very little in the way of facts in that article, lots of hypotheticals and what ifs but nothing to suggest that your fantasy scenario has any real basis in reality. The only truly factual aspect of that article is that Obama's hosting a Summit and that this is his last year in office. The rest of rampant speculation and fear mongering.

Your little scenario is nothing more than 24 fan fiction, deal with it and accept it.



Try not to choke, dear.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

"Sips tea"

Originally Posted by arista

Bless You
Lady Cherie

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Try not to choke, dear.

[bots]

The other side of the problem is this. If a terrorist knows that the information on his phone is not secure, he wont use it to hold details on his proposed attack. He will use another method, that is secure. There is always a way, and destroying consumer confidence in security is not the correct way

[arista]

[The only truly factual aspect of that article is that Obama's hosting a Summit and that this is his last year in office. The rest of rampant speculation and fear mongering. ]

Nuke Summit
Dezzy
Terrorist will Purchase Nukes
Sellers will sell

Its not Sky1HD 24

Its reality.

Thank you for your time

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

[The only truly factual aspect of that article is that Obama's hosting a Summit and that this is his last year in office. The rest of rampant speculation and fear mongering. ]

Nuke Summit
Dezzy
Terrorist will Purchase Nukes
Sellers will sell

Its not Sky1HD 24

Its reality.

Thank you for your time

Not really. The summit is about trying to get countries to lower their nuclear reserves. Do try to read the articles you quote, dear.

[Cherry Christmas]

Why do you call every dear? You sound like my grandma

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why do you call every dear? You sound like my grandma

Well his name is Babs.