[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The shooter apparently phoned the police during the attack and said he was acting on behalf of Isis.

really? Thats ****ing horrific

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Yes I'm shooting up a club full of people.

Wait let me call the police and waste three minutes of my time allowing people to escape!

He was in the club for 3 hours.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

really? Thats ****ing horrific

I don't understand why this is an important factor at all

[Ninastar]

Because it shows that ISIS are a bigger threat than previously thought...

[Firewire]

It was one person so doesn't really have an impact on the size of ISIS

[ThriceShy]

Before people start ridiculing posts, could they learn the basic facts.

This was a hostage situation. He was holding hostages until 5am. The police were negotiating with him. This was virtually a carbon copy of the balaclan. He had a suicide vest.
This was a terror attack.

[Drew.]

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It was one person so doesn't really have an impact on the size of ISIS

Whether it was one person or 20, does it really matter? If this has been done by ISIS, this is yet another attack on innocent people this year. How many has it been now? 15 this year! Over 1000 people in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_to_ISIL#2016

It can happen anywhere and it will.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

The police are treating it as a terrorist incident. I think their opinion trumps yours.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

I absolutely agree, Drew. People jump to conclusions all of the time in an event like this, especially the media. I've seen Donald Trump tweet about radical Islamic extremism with absolutely no source or accurate facts.

I did see tweets about the homophobia. A gay club during gay pride was chosen, I don't think ISIS care much about people expressing their sexuality in Orlando. They hate all Western people equally. Regardless of who was responsible, 50 people tragically lost their lives in a place they are supposed to feel safe and free and queer.

This shouldn't be a debate on ISIS.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The police are treating it as a terrorist incident. I think their opinion trumps yours.

As they do with more or less every shooting incident. There's just no evidence yet until they come out and confirm anything

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Whether it was one person or 20, does it really matter? If this has been done by ISIS, this is yet another attack on innocent people this year. How many has it been now? 15 this year! Over 1000 people in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_to_ISIL#2016

It can happen anywhere and it will.

15 Isis attack at his year versus over 370 gun attacks

But no, ISIS is the issue.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The right to bear arms in America is not about hunting. It is about being able to resist a tyrannical government.

It was also about stopping slave revolts so the historical context is important.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The police are treating it as a terrorist incident. I think their opinion trumps yours.

Of course it's a terror attack. 50 people died. Whether it's Islamic or anything else, it is based on homophobia. Terrorism related to political views, this is one.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

It's been reported both on NBC and the BBC that he called 911 before the shootings and pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

The FBI has said it was an act of terrorism.

That's pretty conclusive for me.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Drew.

As they do with more or less every shooting incident. There's just no evidence yet until they come out and confirm anything

The police were already investigating him for radical Islam threats. He swore allegiance to Isis in a call to police


Http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016...n-feared.html/

If you still aren't convinced then what evidence would convince you?

[Firewire]

But the BBC reported earlier that he was not on the US terror list?

[Ninastar]

Put the news on Jonathan. They're saying he's from ISIS now.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's been reported both on NBC and the BBC that he called 911 before the shootings and pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

The FBI has said it was an act of terrorism.

That's pretty conclusive for me.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The police were already investigating him for radical Islam threats. He swore allegiance to Isis in a call to police


Http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016...n-feared.html/

If you still aren't convinced then what evidence would convince you?

You seem to be under the impression i'm fighting his corner or something, i don't need convincing, my points were it's too early to come to the conclusion without evidence and i didn't see any at the time i originally posted. If there is now evidence then fair enough, i believe it

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Firewire

15 Isis attack at his year versus over 370 gun attacks

But no, ISIS is the issue.

I'm sorry but this is completely different and totally irrelevant.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Firewire

But the BBC reported earlier that he was not on the US terror list?

That's a list of people they know of. You can Google the list.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Drew.

You seem to be under the impression i'm fighting his corner or something, i don't need convincing, my points were it's too early to come to the conclusion without evidence and i didn't see any at the time i originally posted. If there is now evidence then fair enough, i believe it

Not at all, Drew. I just replied to stuff you were querying... sorry if you thought I was having a pop at you.

[Gusto Brunt]

Absolutely horrifying. All those families lives devastated.

[Ninastar]

Its those text that have upset me more than anything. I just cant even imagine what all those people trapped in there have gone through. ugh, this is depressing me

[Denver]

The UK will be next and its rather worrying